Bob (Aust)
Well-known Member
Something very wrong there........ :?
Serial Number 17547 would be a 1947 Continental engine TE20 - but the engine serial number you quote is a Standard Motor Company engine.
My guess it is a 1951 TEA20 (85 mm bore) and you've missed one serial number digit - however a petrol/TVO Fergy is a TED20 and a petrol/lamp oil Fergy is a TEH20.
Check the serial number for a missing digit?
Is the prefix definately "TE[b:4bb40bb07f]A[/b:4bb40bb07f]"?
Does it have two compartments in the fuel tank?
Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20
Serial Number 17547 would be a 1947 Continental engine TE20 - but the engine serial number you quote is a Standard Motor Company engine.
My guess it is a 1951 TEA20 (85 mm bore) and you've missed one serial number digit - however a petrol/TVO Fergy is a TED20 and a petrol/lamp oil Fergy is a TEH20.
Check the serial number for a missing digit?
Is the prefix definately "TE[b:4bb40bb07f]A[/b:4bb40bb07f]"?
Does it have two compartments in the fuel tank?
Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20
You either have a 1947 TEA-20 or a 1951 TEA-20 tractor.
Please verify the TEA 17547 came off of the dataplate near the steering wheel. Also, verify that 17547 us the full number, i.e. no extra numbers or characters.
with the low engine SN I tend to believe the 1947 year and that is the full tractor SN.
Though the parrafin fuel throws me a bit. Does the fuel tank have two compartments? i.e. two caps? see picture. if that is the case it would be a TED and not a TEA, but you are clear on the TEA part..... Can you provide pictures?
Where are you located?
Jeff-Ohio, US
Please verify the TEA 17547 came off of the dataplate near the steering wheel. Also, verify that 17547 us the full number, i.e. no extra numbers or characters.
with the low engine SN I tend to believe the 1947 year and that is the full tractor SN.
Though the parrafin fuel throws me a bit. Does the fuel tank have two compartments? i.e. two caps? see picture. if that is the case it would be a TED and not a TEA, but you are clear on the TEA part..... Can you provide pictures?
Where are you located?
Jeff-Ohio, US
rats you got me again!!!! I went to go post the picture and pow there's Bob beating me in by 1/100 of a sec. 
BTW the Cont. and the Standard motors were installed side by side until SN 48,000. Thus, if the data plate is correct (TEA 17547) then it shows that the tags deliniated the engine as early as 1947.
The issue will be what is really on the tag. It should read Printed "TE" and then a stamped "A" then the stamped number. perhaps you can post your picture of the data plates for help.
Jeff
No really I am tickled that we had the exact same questions and thoughts on this one....
BTW the Cont. and the Standard motors were installed side by side until SN 48,000. Thus, if the data plate is correct (TEA 17547) then it shows that the tags deliniated the engine as early as 1947.
The issue will be what is really on the tag. It should read Printed "TE" and then a stamped "A" then the stamped number. perhaps you can post your picture of the data plates for help.
Jeff
No really I am tickled that we had the exact same questions and thoughts on this one....
Thinking about this, I believe two things may be going on.
1) It is a TEH the H being mistaken for the much more common A
and
2) a number was missed
both easily done if the plate is hard to read.
We'll have to wait to see what Gert verifies.
If it is a TEH it is the first I've heard of and I'm sure not many were made.
Jeff
1) It is a TEH the H being mistaken for the much more common A
and
2) a number was missed
both easily done if the plate is hard to read.
We'll have to wait to see what Gert verifies.
If it is a TEH it is the first I've heard of and I'm sure not many were made.
Jeff
Bob (Aust)
Well-known Member
Wow!!! Jeff's tractor has the same serial number as mine!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Got you by four minutes - and my post was late for me, 7.30 am Saturday.
The engine serial number mystifies me a little. My 1953 85 mm engine serial number is SC52793E whilst his is S1910E which must be a very early serial number, although I think also very early Standard engine serial numbers did not have a letter prefix. I have engine serial number details here somewhere but can't find it right now.
The thought crossed my mind that if it is definitely a TEA, then the fuel tank may have been swapped off a TED20. If a genuine TED it will have a heat plate bolted to the manifold.
[i:147d43ed99]"If it is a TEH it is the first I've heard of and I'm sure not many were made."[/i:147d43ed99]
Me too!!! I'm not even sure what lamp oil is - maybe what we called lighting kerosene?
Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20
Got you by four minutes - and my post was late for me, 7.30 am Saturday.
The engine serial number mystifies me a little. My 1953 85 mm engine serial number is SC52793E whilst his is S1910E which must be a very early serial number, although I think also very early Standard engine serial numbers did not have a letter prefix. I have engine serial number details here somewhere but can't find it right now.
The thought crossed my mind that if it is definitely a TEA, then the fuel tank may have been swapped off a TED20. If a genuine TED it will have a heat plate bolted to the manifold.
[i:147d43ed99]"If it is a TEH it is the first I've heard of and I'm sure not many were made."[/i:147d43ed99]
Me too!!! I'm not even sure what lamp oil is - maybe what we called lighting kerosene?
Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20
YES IT IS SOUTH AFRICA AND WE ARE MAD DOWN HERE ON OLD TRACTORS. THANKS FOR YOUR QUICK RESPONS .I AM A SIGNAL TECHNICIAN AND IT IS NOW 4 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND I AM ON NIGHTSIFT THIS WEEK. YES IT GOT A DAUL TANK BUT THE TRACTOR ARE 160KM FROM CAPE TOWN DOWN ON MY NEPHEWS FARM AT PIKETBURG. I WILL FAX ALL YOUR QUISTIONS IN THE MORNING TO THE FARM.THIS IS MY SECOND FERGUSON.CHECK ON THE FOTO SITE FOR MY FIRST 1950 TEA20 WHICH RUN ON GAS ONLY.I AM TWO YEARS BUSY WITH IT AND WE ARE GOING TO INSTALL MY FIRST ONES ENGINE . THERE ARE TWO BOLTS STRIP ON THE BELLHOUSING AND WE GONE FIX IT TODAY.
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WONDERFULL POST AND I READ IT EVERY DAY DOWN HERE IN KUILSRIVER (SOUTH AFRICA). I WILL LET YOU KNOW AS SONE I GOT MORE INFO.
THANKS
GERT LERM
(ZA)
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WONDERFULL POST AND I READ IT EVERY DAY DOWN HERE IN KUILSRIVER (SOUTH AFRICA). I WILL LET YOU KNOW AS SONE I GOT MORE INFO.
THANKS
GERT LERM
(ZA)
YES IT IS SOUTH AFRICA AND WE ARE MAD DOWN HERE ON OLD TRACTORS. THANKS FOR YOUR QUICK RESPONS .I AM A SIGNAL TECHNICIAN AND IT IS NOW 4 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND I AM ON NIGHTSIFT THIS WEEK. YES IT GOT A DAUL TANK BUT THE TRACTOR ARE 160KM FROM CAPE TOWN DOWN ON MY NEPHEWS FARM AT PIKETBURG. I WILL FAX ALL YOUR QUISTIONS IN THE MORNING TO THE FARM.THIS IS MY SECOND FERGUSON.CHECK ON THE FOTO SITE FOR MY FIRST 1950 TEA20 WHICH RUN ON GAS ONLY.I AM TWO YEARS BUSY WITH IT AND WE ARE GOING TO INSTALL MY FIRST ONES ENGINE . THERE ARE TWO BOLTS STRIP ON THE BELLHOUSING AND WE GONE FIX IT TODAY.
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WONDERFULL POST AND I READ IT EVERY DAY DOWN HERE IN KUILSRIVER (SOUTH AFRICA). I WILL LET YOU KNOW AS SONE I GOT MORE INFO.
THANKS
GERT LERM
(ZA)
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WONDERFULL POST AND I READ IT EVERY DAY DOWN HERE IN KUILSRIVER (SOUTH AFRICA). I WILL LET YOU KNOW AS SONE I GOT MORE INFO.
THANKS
GERT LERM
(ZA)
Bob,Richard and Jeff I have recheck the ser.no.TE.A17547 Engine no.S1919E there are three photos under Ferguson to help you id it.The oilfilter is straight and it got dual tank.The plate over the manifold is missing but the mounting brackets are still on it.
Thanks.
Gert Lerm
(ZA)South Africa
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Thanks.
Gert Lerm
(ZA)South Africa
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Bob (Aust)
Well-known Member
[b:aecf2d21f2]Gert.[/b:aecf2d21f2]
Ser No 17547 is a 1947 manufacture tractor. The engine serial number S1910E is a Standard Motor Co engine and looking at the photo it appears to be an early 80 mm bore engine. (85 mm engine started at tractor serial number 172598).
But I'm mystified - I would have thought Ser No 17547 should have a Continental Z120 engine - and the "TEA" prefix should be a gasoline/petrol engine, not TVO. The twin tank and heat shield bracket indicate it probably is a TVO engine? (TVO tractors were prefix "TED" and lamp oil tractors prefix "TEH".)
Interestingly, no British built Continental engine Ferguson tractors ("TE20") were exported to Australia and probably the same is true of South Africa.
There was a TVO conversion kit offered for Standard petrol/gasoline engines (i.e. TEA prefix tractors), but this was only for 85 mm engines or 80 mm blocks that had been bored out.
Alternatively, I wonder if the tractor data plate has been changed?
You [i:aecf2d21f2][u:aecf2d21f2]may[/u:aecf2d21f2][/i:aecf2d21f2] have a rarity there? I can't answer your questions?
Pity John (UK) is not around - I'm sure he would know?
Bob in Oz
Ser No 17547 is a 1947 manufacture tractor. The engine serial number S1910E is a Standard Motor Co engine and looking at the photo it appears to be an early 80 mm bore engine. (85 mm engine started at tractor serial number 172598).
But I'm mystified - I would have thought Ser No 17547 should have a Continental Z120 engine - and the "TEA" prefix should be a gasoline/petrol engine, not TVO. The twin tank and heat shield bracket indicate it probably is a TVO engine? (TVO tractors were prefix "TED" and lamp oil tractors prefix "TEH".)
Interestingly, no British built Continental engine Ferguson tractors ("TE20") were exported to Australia and probably the same is true of South Africa.
There was a TVO conversion kit offered for Standard petrol/gasoline engines (i.e. TEA prefix tractors), but this was only for 85 mm engines or 80 mm blocks that had been bored out.
Alternatively, I wonder if the tractor data plate has been changed?
You [i:aecf2d21f2][u:aecf2d21f2]may[/u:aecf2d21f2][/i:aecf2d21f2] have a rarity there? I can't answer your questions?
Pity John (UK) is not around - I'm sure he would know?
Bob in Oz
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
Parafin oil.
The Cont. and the Standsrd motor tractors were bulit side by side up till SN 48,000. The serial numbers were stamped as the tractors came off the line. Thus, if it had the standard motor then it got the A stamped on the data plate.
There was not set switching point for between the engines.
There was not set switching point for between the engines.
Bob (Aust)
Well-known Member
[b:9b6861df54]Jeff[/b:9b6861df54]. My understanding of history is that the Continental engine was installed until the Standard engine came available. Ser No 48000 is the point change over occurred, although there have been Continental engine examples posted here up to Ser No 90000.
I wonder at what Ser No the Standard engine became available? I would not have thought it was as early as Ser No 17547? One possibility was that the Continental engine tractor was only exported to the USA - none ever came to Australia and perhaps the same for South Africa, only Standard engine tractors.
Wish John (UK) were here - I'm sure he'd know!
The engine has a vertical oil filter so it can't be a '51 with a serial number digit missing. And the "TEA" prefix does not explain the dual fuel.
Intriguing mystery indeed.
Bob in Oz
I wonder at what Ser No the Standard engine became available? I would not have thought it was as early as Ser No 17547? One possibility was that the Continental engine tractor was only exported to the USA - none ever came to Australia and perhaps the same for South Africa, only Standard engine tractors.
Wish John (UK) were here - I'm sure he'd know!
The engine has a vertical oil filter so it can't be a '51 with a serial number digit missing. And the "TEA" prefix does not explain the dual fuel.
Intriguing mystery indeed.
Bob in Oz
Bob (Aust)
Well-known Member
[b:e7d2b0b4af]Gert[/b:e7d2b0b4af].
I would be interested in confirming your tractor and engine production dates.
Would you please look on the right side of the transmission housing, between the gear box to diff housing flange and the round "port hole" inspection plate, where you should find three numbers vertically cast into housing:
The photo shows "6 7 3" which is the casting manufacture date, 6 July 1953.
Your engine may also have a casting date above the generator on the right hand side:
That photo shows "1 7 3" indicating an engine casting date of 1 July 1953.
That the dates are within a week or so is a fair assumption (but no guarantee) the original engine is installed.
Please post your numbers here so we are able to confirm it is a 1947 manufacture tractor and if the engine casting date is within a few weeks of the diff casting date, it [u:e7d2b0b4af]may[/u:e7d2b0b4af] confirm it is the original engine.
I'm still surprised you have a Standard engine in a tractor with that early serial number and a dual fuel engine in a "TEA" prefix tractor serial number??????? :?
Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20
I would be interested in confirming your tractor and engine production dates.
Would you please look on the right side of the transmission housing, between the gear box to diff housing flange and the round "port hole" inspection plate, where you should find three numbers vertically cast into housing:
The photo shows "6 7 3" which is the casting manufacture date, 6 July 1953.
Your engine may also have a casting date above the generator on the right hand side:
That photo shows "1 7 3" indicating an engine casting date of 1 July 1953.
That the dates are within a week or so is a fair assumption (but no guarantee) the original engine is installed.
Please post your numbers here so we are able to confirm it is a 1947 manufacture tractor and if the engine casting date is within a few weeks of the diff casting date, it [u:e7d2b0b4af]may[/u:e7d2b0b4af] confirm it is the original engine.
I'm still surprised you have a Standard engine in a tractor with that early serial number and a dual fuel engine in a "TEA" prefix tractor serial number??????? :?
Bob in Oz
'53 TEA20
Bob (Aust)
Well-known Member
Casting date 11 October 1947. That matches up with the approximate date of that serial number tractor. The engine may not have a date cast into it.
Bob in Oz
Bob in Oz
Bob (Aust)
Well-known Member
Correct - 1948 TE20. Continental Z120 engine.
The TEA20 has a Standard Motor Company engine.
The TEA20 has a Standard Motor Company engine.
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