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Proper etiquette question: If a piece of property is offered for sale for say $2500 and then an offer of about 1/2 or $1500 is recieved is one to be offended? And if a lesser offer has been sumbitted would it be proper to increase the asking price to say $3500
maybe a little explanation I am the seller and not real motivated. Also I am not good negotiator nor do I wish to particpate in such negotiation . I was asked if I had a particular tractor in question and what I would take for it. I told him what I would take for it. Then he offered about half what I was willing to take for it. ------ me off. so I think in the future I will counter offer with a higher asking price.Paul
 
I would just say it's not for sale at that price and reiterate my asking price if asked what I would sell it for. no need to be angry .
 
It is simply a game that some are better at than others. Most things are only worth what someone is willing to pay.
Most sellers start high, knowing that most buyers want to buy for less than the asking price in order to think they got a deal.
This crazy stuff came in to play after bartering went out and money came in. Back when people bartered, they could make cleaner deals on both sides of the table.
I am offended that businesses consider their money more important than my money. They hit us with all kinds of flemsy excuses like, "we have to make a profit". Duh, that is not my problem, nor should it be a valid reason that I pay more than the true value of a product or service.
In order to make the levels of profit that many people want to make today, they have be liers on one side or the other. They will tell a seller that what they have is just not worth much. They turn around and sell that same item for much more.
Is something wrong with that picture? We have just been programmed to accept the fact that almost everything has two prices.
The vehicle market has been a master at this.
A new car is "worth" about 20% more until you sign the papers and leave the lot. Immediately, that same brand new vehicle with 1 or 2 more miles on it has lost 1/5 of it's value.
Consumers could change that to a more realistic number but they are misinformed, they get sucked in to the drama and emotions of marketing, they fall in love with the car saleman, etc.
If you do not believe that there is an excess of profit in the car business, take a look at some of the monster buildings that are there to simply house the hucksters that sell them.
 
When I first speak to a seller about an item that I am interested in buying I will always ask "Is your price firm, or do you have a little wiggle room for negotiation?". If their price is firm, they can say so and I haven't "insulted them" by offering less. If they say they have a little "wiggle room" I expect a back and forth in negotiation.
 
forget abvout the car buisiness.Think of it this way, a guy comes to you and says I want to buy your house. You think it over and say I'll take 250,000 ( or 2,500,000 whatever # you come up with) and he counters with a number that is half of what you asked. what is your reaction. also maybe if barter is the norm then we should start dickering with the grocer or the butcher or the gas company or the clothjing store or wheat or corn .Paul
 
That is the way I usually aproach a seller as well. Unless I think and or know the item is a bargain in the first placethen i just buy. If I think item is too high I walk quietly.Paul
 
I normally ask a seller simply,"What's your bottom dollar".
Saves messin' around, usually tell 'em I don't like negotiatin much, so what's your bottom dollar. Then I either buy or tell them I'll think on it, whatever, etc.

I wouldn't let a low ball offer make ya mad. That's just how some people are. I normally would just say I'm keepin it if that's all its worth, or, I'll think on it, or, I'll keep it in mind, etc.

Some people just try to low ball, its just how they learned.
I don't really care for it, but then if you're in a hurry or hungry,
ya just might take a low ball offer. Sometimes I just laugh, and ask them if they are really serious or just jokin around.

I'll quit ramblin now...don't let em make ya mad, take care, Dan
 
Skip: 730 has it .. " most things are only worth what someone is willing to pay " . If your "asking price" is "X", and you haven't considered setting a " firm" price than it is wide open to arguement for a lower price of any amount. However, if you are selling for a outright "FIRM" price of "X" then the potential buyer knows there is little or no room for arguement and less friction results. On the other hand, if you think that there is a chance that you can get more $$ from a sale then the property is actually worth ; or even at fair market value then advertise the property for much more then it is worth and experience how different people view how much they need what you have to offer ! In this way you can listen to what they have to say and let them low ball you, but you already know what you will take in terms of "firm" $$; and that sets your limits. You may be fortunate and receive more than expected, and you may certainly get what you set in your mind... Either way, this makes it easier on your human/fair side of things and puts the burden of what a person actually needs on the buyer, The property is yours, don't be intimidated or offended; you are fully aware of what is a fair price given your ownership and current market value. If you run into low ballers just say it's not for sale at their suggested price; and infactly, not anywheres near it either. They will go away knowing you know it's worth and will either come back with a fair approach or not return at all. Don't be offended -- be FIRM
 
The answer here is "No, I am pretty firm on my price." No feelings hurt.

I find a lot of folks really do not expect what they are asking for an item. For example: Local church gazebo had a gas stove setting and marked for sale. $50. It was a 1950 Tappan Model 60 Deluxe in perfect condition with all factory accesories including user"s manual and cookbook that demonstrated all the features of the stove. The stove"s value was between $800-$5000 depending on where you look. I called the lady and told her I was interested. She was down to $25 dollars before I even got a chance to speak. I confused her when I told her that I was happy to pay $50 an d let her know that the stove was worth much more. I asked if she would like to reconsider. No, $50 would be fine. Weird negotiations! This a pic of the stove today. I gave it away as a gift. The current owner is very happy with it.

Aaron
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When selling a item you have to use a strategy instead of tactics.Just ask our current president how well tactics work.I think he is learning quickly.

Vito
 
Aaron : BTDT many times , I like to treat folks like I want to be treated !!!!

BTW, are those eggs and bacon still warm ? If they are tell the folks I'll be right over. LOL
 
Skip, I don't like negociating weither. I'm more of an auction person, I can bid what I want, and own it or walk away from it. The personal haggling just doesn't fit me.

I bought a field cultivator once, needed one in spring, dealers were asking $1200, in the paper was one for $750. I looked it over, said sure.

The fellas were just chestfalled, they were kinda offended I didn't make an offer. They told me to make the check for $600, but you could tell they missed some of the fun of the day.

So as a buyer, what do you do?


Sounds like you are not real motivated seller, looking to make money or keep the item.

Sounds like the buyer is not a real motivated buyer, looking to pick up a deal or keep his money.

No harm on either of you, just say my price is firm, and everyone is happy and fine, no need for either to be offended or upset. You both tried, and that's that?

It's typical for a seller to knock off 10% of the asking price, it's kinda hard to just walk up and pay straight cash for an item. Has to be a little haggling.

If you are offended by a low-ball offer, I don't understand why you want to raise the price and turn yourself into an offensive high-ball seller?

Just go about your business, and if you don't get what you asked for, say no thanks and everyone has what they want.

--->Paul
 
Aaron : BTDT many times , I like to treat folks like I want to be treated !!!!

BTW, are those eggs and bacon still warm ? If they are tell the folks I'll be right over. LOL
 
When i price something and they ask if i would take less i tell them if i would take less i would have priced it less. Works for me.
 
I used to work for an RV dealer. He was a great trader. He told me, always set your price higher than you are willing to take. You can always come down, but you can never go back up. I generally know what something is worth and what I'm willing to pay. If the price is too high I just walk away. If it's a fair price,I generally pay what they ask. My time is too valuable to stand and argue over a few bucks.
 
No need to make the guy mad by countering with a higher price- who knows, he might have paid the 2500 if you hadn't run him off.

IMHO, most guys won't be offended by an offer thats 25 or 30% under the asking price. Personally, I kind of like dickering on things- but if offer is half of what I consider to be a fair price, I generally will wind things up pretty quickly, because I don't feel theres a common ground- just too far apart.

In your example, if I wanted $2,500, I'd have priced it at 3- buyer would probably have offered 2, and I'd offer to "split the difference" and see what happened.
 
I would not have been offended had he offered 10% less might even have taken it. I would not have been offended at 20% but would have said no thanks but 40%. The item in question is an older restored 28 john deere D very correct except magneto.Paul
 
(quoted from post at 10:05:27 01/09/11) I would not have been offended had he offered 10% less might even have taken it. I would not have been offended at 20% but would have said no thanks but 40%. The item in question is an older restored 28 john deere D very correct except magneto.Paul
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Guess it depends on where you are......

I picked up my rake, tedder, and mower for less than half what was asked (mower was just over half). Made the mistake of pricing something fair and going even lower because it was for someone I knew once. Now, if it's someone I know, the price is double if I can't talk them out of it. That's why I like ebay both ways.

Dave
 
I enjoy the chase as much as making the kill.
Years ago I learned a bit about haggling at the feet of a master - a gal I dated for some years. She was tough, shrewd, polite, charming and could play a better game of brinksmanship than anyone I've ever met. I think she was constitutionaly incapable of paying full price. We bought a bunch of houses together.
She would haggle all day long to save $10. At first I'd get exasperated with her but as she explained it; $10 would buy us both lunch at Micky D's.
The thing she always said was not to fall in love with the deal. There's another house, car, tractor out there for a better price. As long as you remembered those items were just another commodity that get traded every day you were alright. When you got attached to that item you were lost.
I wish I had payed better attention then. Though a little of what she tried to teach me did rub off.
I still talk to her regularly. She's worth a few million today.
 
When I buy something like that I like to feel like I got a good deal. If something is going to sell for 25 bucks please put 30 on it. LOL Not sure why I feel better but I do. If I have something for sale for 30 bucks offer me 25 and I'll take it.. Now if ya low ball me for 38 cents and a snickers bar wrapper I'll just tell you no thanks. No hard feelings. LOL Life is too short to get worked up over silly things like that. JJ
 
Very simple if you do not want to haggle you just put the price is firm which says you will not take any less. It is all in the way you advertise things and if you list it at $2500 firm then you have no problem but if you just list it at $2500 people will try to haggle you
 
The proper way I learned to deal is if the prospective buyer offers less than I think I want for something, I just thank him for his offer. It's more of a gentleman's way and you couldn't be more polite than that....and neither one of you would by mad. ohfred
 
My auction ettiquete is much different. I hate wasting time while the auctioneer is in $5 increments when you know the thing is going to go for several hundred more. I jump the bid in $50-100 increments. I am sure it aggravates the others, but gol-dangit, I got places to be!

I cropped the pic to avoid sending an image of my mother to the internet community. Hope y'all understand!

Aaron
 
A neighbor wanted some spring wheat seed that we had. He called us. We weren't really looking for any buyers. He was in a pinch and needed it. Dad asked a fair price. Neighbor agreed on price. After the semi was loaded, neighbor wanted to pay less. Dad told him the price just went up 10 cents a bushel. Neighbor was happy to pay orignal price.
 
As long as we are talking about proper etiquette when selling a tractor, what is the proper ATTIRE to wear when showing a tractor to a prospective buyer... are jeans EVER acceptable or is more formal clothing required?

What about shoes?
 
I always try to get a better price when buying whether it be from an individual seller or a large chain store. Why not, you work for your money. If it only takes a few seconds to make a lower offer and the seller accepts it good deal for me. I can't make $ 20 or $ 200 in a minute at my regular job. Sometimes my selling price is firm and I never lower it. Then I may just drop it as you are about to get in your truck and drive away. I sold a truck time for $1,000. The buyer did not know it but I would have given it to him before he left because I wanted it gone. He never asked me to lower my price.
 
I would have just said 2500 is my bottom dollar. I always ask what their bottom dollar is when buying if I really want to buy it. May make an offer if I really don't want it for the price they are asking.
 
Jeans are OK, and lack of shoes will cause prospective buyer to try to take undue advantage of the cracker he thinks he is dealing with.

Shirt is also a must- saw a sign on a pickup recently:
Guys- No Shirt, No Service
Gals- No Shirt, FREE BEER!
 
You can negotiate at Dicks Sporting Goods! Suprised the heck out of me. I have gotten $100-200 dollars off when buying kayaks. They had one in the back and it was getting returned due to light scratches. I bought it wholesale.

Never tried Walmart.

Aaron
 
Sounds like a gal after my own heart. I got indoctrinated in the art of dickering while I was a used car salesman, although my wife doesn't always agree with my tactics. Once when I bought a pickup as a private buyer, it got down to the salesman and I arguing over $5. I forget what the final price was, but I recall it ended in $2.50 'cause we wound up splitting the $5. I thought my wife was going to kill me.

Another time when I sold a car privately, the buyer and I were dickering over $25. He knew he was going to buy it, and I knew I was going to sell it, we were just having fun over that $25. Again, my wife was fit to be tied.

Seriously, I don't lowball anyone. If I'm buying something from a private party and they quote a price, I'll usually ask if that's their bottom dollar. They'll either lower their price a bit, or at least indicate they might dicker. At that point, I'll make a reasonable offer depending on the item and how badly I want it. You can usually wind up somewhere in the middle.

I have no patience with someone who tries to lowball me. They can either be reasonable right off the bat or take a hike.
 
I allways haggle on a price,its fun to chew them down.I do it even when buying clothes or tools.
You be surpriced how often i can get a better price.
when they object i tell them go farming for a while,that's how we operate.

I bought a Cockshutt 1800 the other day(it needed a injection pump)The guy wanted $1500,i told him a rebuild pump is at least a grand.
I offered him $400 + $100 to bring it down.
I paid him cash on the spot,he deliverd it 3 day's later.
 
Just ask the guy why he asked what you wanted in the first place? He was fishing thinking you might have offered even less than he would have offered. Just tell him $2500 cash in hand but next week it will take $3000 to buy it. Dave
 
People at Wallmart or othe chain stores just work there,they have no say.
If you want to haggle a price you need to talk to the manager or the owner.
 
You can in fact haggle over price at Wal-Mart if you do it right. I know of people that do it on and off but they also come in to buy $1000 plus of stuff at the time and they go right to the manager and explain what and all then go pick out there stuff. The key is the fact they are going to spend big so they can get a better price by doing so
 
I ask how much they want, if it more than I want to pay I just say no thanks or I will think about it. If they want to haggle that is up to them not me.
 
If I am selling and lower offer is made I usually respond with if I would sell for less I would advertize for less. If I was willing to sell for less and you paid higher price then I would be steeling from you. Now if I am buying I will haggle down to the last dime. Exception of course if either buyer or seller as case may be is really attractive gal then I will do most anything to keep the conversation going, and offer delivery. I know it's a slow afternoon!!!
 
My Dad gave me some selling advice years ago that has worked very well for me.He said that if I wanted to sell something for, say, $500,ask $1000, settle for $750 and both parties walk away smiling.
 
My favorite tongue-in-cheek comment about buying something is, "If he's asking 10, he wants 8, he'll take 6, it's worth 4, so offer him 2".

Never works for me, but it's fun to say.

Stan
 
One time I found a pickup truck for sale. It wasn't advertised in any newspapers, and this was before the days of the internet. The seller had just parked it at the end of his driveway, which was at the end of a dead-end street, with a FOR SALE sign in it. Th only reason I knew it was for sale was because my wife had taken the kids down that street trick-or-treating on Halloween, a few nights before.

So I went and looked at the truck, didn't find anyone home, so I wrote down the phone number and called him later that evening. I just asked him his price, and then let him do all the talking. He first asked $250, which wouldn't have been a bad price to begin with. But the more he talked, the lower his price got. When he finally talked himself down to $100, I told him I'd take it and went to complete the transaction...and ended up driving the truck home.
 
While someone is looking at your for sale item have a neighbor come over and act interested to.
Fake a cell phone call so they know someone else is coming to look.Never hurts to apply a litle pressure.
 
First we don't know what you were selling. Maybe your price was high. Your not going to sell too many things high in this economy. I ask a reasonable price and take offers if its close and I don't get mad if someone asked for a lower price just tell him what I want. When your not motivated your really wasting peoples time because most are not going to pay a unreasonable price.
And why would you ask a 1000.00 more if your getting lower offers?
 
my dad taught me a deal is a deal and I live by that creed, if I give someone a price I will stick to it,even if regret it later, people who raise their price after quoting me a lower one are not held in high esteem by me, I had a deal made on a bull once for the sellers price, when went to get him he raised the price, I was in need of a bull and payed it, very unscrupulous in my opinion. If you don't like their offer just say " no, I need more money than that"
 
If you read all the replies you will get a feel for what one deals with selling things . Many things to consider. - Many people ALWAYS plan on offering less than asking price- wheter the asking price is high ,fair or half of what its worth. As the other replies indicate, alot of people enjoy the wheeling and dealing. Then there is the possibility that your price is actually too high. To answer your question, I would not take any offense to a lower offer , just tell them no. Many times if you would take less ,that"s when they expect to hear a counter-offer. I wouldnt see where raising the price would help any, counter-offering with a higher price probably will offend some people, or at least make them think you are too hard to deal with. Bottom line is, some people enjoy dickering over things, some dont. If you dont , set a price and say thats a firm price and if the buyer cant do it wait for the next guy. Good luck.
 
(quoted from post at 18:52:35 01/09/11) As long as we are talking about proper etiquette when selling a tractor, what is the proper ATTIRE to wear when showing a tractor to a prospective buyer... are jeans EVER acceptable or is more formal clothing required?

What about shoes?
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I guess if it has to be more formal than my Wranglers and a pair of Justin work boots then you had better not buy or sell me one. LOL That is what I wear every day. JJ
 
Twice I've bought display items at tool stores. Didn't get the package or manual but i got them to come down about $100 on a drill press at Sears.
 
First off I'm never offended when someone offers me cash if I don't think its enough I just say
"Nope won't take that for it make another offer you might surprise both of us"
 
I was helping a guy repair his refrigerator one time and we went to an appliance repair shop for a new defrost switch. The price was $30 and the guy I was with said how much for cash. The gal knocked $5 off of the price. I would have never have thought of or tried that. That was worth a couple of beers. :o)
 
Cracks me up when somebody pulls up in a new diesel dually and cries poverty. One of my favorite questions is "if your boss asked you to work for 80% of your agreed upon wage because he just doesn't want to spend the money" Would you?
One guy did throw me a curve, "welfare doesn't pay less than 100%". so I told him 'good! I won't take less than 100%'.
 
The people that have money today are looking for a bargain,or someone to take advantage of.Some negociate but never buy.I don't think they have any money anyhow.Then i see the ones that negociate a cheaper price for cash,then pull out the checkbook.I tell them That's not cash and they act surprised and some get offended.When money gets tight people get mean.
 
I had a WD advertised in the paper about 15 years ago for $800. It was in good shape and worth that. Had a guy come out and look it over and drove it around awhile.
Offered me $600 and said that was his top dollar.

I told him no thanks, I will get what I"m asking.
I put another ad in the paper a few weeks later and asked $1200 for the same tractor. Had a guy buy it over the phone no questions asked cash.

Did the same thing with a house we were trying to sell. We weren"t getting any traffic so I raised the price 8K and sold it in 2 weeks.
 
(quoted from post at 13:50:00 01/09/11) My auction ettiquete is much different. I hate wasting time while the auctioneer is in $5 increments when you know the thing is going to go for several hundred more. I jump the bid in $50-100 increments. I am sure it aggravates the others, but gol-dangit, I got places to be!


Aaron
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Please come to my auctions!!!!!!!!
 
No, because a cashier doesn't have the authority to lower the price, and they will just get flustered if I suggest it. I have negotiated prices with the store manager at Wal-Mart, at Sears and lots of other stores. Over the years I have saved myself thousands of dollars by being willing to haggle.

But I kind of enjoy the process, and some store managers seem to also have a little fun doing so. If a manager does not want to negotiate, they will usually telly me so really quickly. But lots of them would rather make a sale for a little less money, than to not make a sale at all. Of course it depends on the item, but on things that are at the regular, retail price, I often start at about 75% of that price. Surprising how often the manager will accept that price, or slightly more. It works less well on sale items, or things that are in short supply or large demand.

When I advertise something that I WANT TO SELL, I always start with a higher price than I really expect to get. I won't tell what my "bottom dollar" price is, but instead ask the potential buyer to make me an offer. If that offer is too low, I just tell them I won't sell it for that little. Eventually we arrive at a price that both of us feel OK about.

Lots of sellers see buyers that do not try to haggle, and just pay the first price, as stupid, lazy, or uninformed. Either that, or they didn't have a high enough first price on the item.

After a couple of bad experiences, I only accept cash as payment for things I sell.

The subject of this string is Proper Buying Etiquette. I guess my take on the proper etiquette is that you don't waste the other person's time if you are not serious about buying or selling the item. And I respect a seller's wishes if they don't want to haggle. If the price is too high, I just walk away. Being pleasant and civil goes a long way toward getting what I want: a good deal for ME. If the seller feels good about the deal too, that is just great. Good luck!
 
Appears to me that you were NOT advertising it for sale in the first place. He just asked what you would take for a tractor you HAD if'n you decided to sell it. In that case etiquette would be " I answered your question and it is not up for arguement" ! " And after today it is no longer available".
 
a little thin skinned there, put your price on it and it stands firm. There is such a word as NO without getting uptight. You would not like my brother, sometimes I dont. like that all the time, nature of the beast.Give the Middle East a wide berth when holidaying..
 
Im all over the board on this. As a seller, I've usually got room on a tractor or piece of machinery to negotiate, just because most people do. Hay, cattle, and rent generally not. What I price it is what I have to have. My favorite line about price is 'it is what it is'. I've found with hay there is always someone who wants to sell below his cost of production. Im not into buying me a job.

As a buyer, I always ask 'whats your best price'. If its more than I'm willing to pay I'll tell them that, and tell them what I am willing to go. Biggest surprise of my life was when I was trying to buy a dozer, his best price was 18,000. 15 grand was all I had. I counted out 15,000 in 100 dollar bills and he could see that was the whole roll. I asked him do I take this back home or are you sending me a dozer tonight. He said the truck will follow you home with it.

Biggest mistake I ever made was on a farm next to me. Guy listed it for 150K for 76 acres back in the 90's. It was worth about about 80K. I'd have given 110 just because of where it was. I didnt want to insult him by low balling that much so I never made an offer. He sold it for 75K.
 
Sorta like asking for the rules to a bar fight.....There ARE no rules.

Old fashioned horse trading is NOT the place for the faint of heart. No GOOD buyer will ever buy without exploring just how low the seller will go. No good seller will ever list something at his lowest dollar. All that stands in the way of getting a high price from something is ASKING a high price. Likewise, the first thing between getting something at asking price and getting it at a bargain price is making an offer.

If it's rules you want, go play bridge with a group of old ladies. If it's buy low/sell high you want, be prepared to get dirty.
 
Houses are different in that you can pay to get an appraisal from an independent third party that does not have a dog in the race. (they have no interest in buying or selling it, therefore you are likely to get an clean value)
The used car business, for instance, is just the opposite. One of the most corrupt businesses in the US (auctions) actually somewhat control car prices. Couple that with dealers that know that they can take you to the cleaners due to your misinformation and lack of real knowledge.
A new car dealer makes much more money on used than on new. For many years, they have been known to change the mileage on cars, and lie through their teeth about anything, just to make that Holy dollar.
How did people get so greedy over a dollar? It does NOT make them happy and has ruined many families and lives.
Yes, we need money to live in this society, but the love of money and greed have runined many a good business and family.
Want to see what a true Christian someone is, enter money in to the equation and see how they react.
 
I think you best just stick to your price. If the request went to 3500 I'd tend to think you wern't serious about selling at all and walk away. Most people assume that if the ask is 2500 then you're willing to take less... so people like me make lowball offers. Either because that's what it's worth or because that's what I want to spend... so you can stick to your price if that's what you need or find a middleground.

Rod
 
Wife had a real nice mule out of a big Tennessee Walker mare and a mammoth Jack, well broke to ride, stepped out real nice. (She did a couple of those, at the urging of old "mule guys", but found that the problem is the old mule guys didn't want to pay anything.) She was asking $3,500, and some old guy called, wanted to pay $1,800. He'd call every few days, offer a little more, wife would come down a little. Her price was at $2,800, he was at $2,200, and somebody else called and took the mule for 28.

Old guy called, wanted to come up to $2,400- wife informed him mule was gone, at $2,800. He acted hurt, and said, "Well, I would have come up to that, eventually- I really wanted that mule!" Wife started laughing, and when he realized how ridiculous his statement had been, he did, too. They parted friends, and maybe next time he'll pull the trigger a little faster.
 
So if you're selling, you're always firm, but if you're buying, you insist on dickering.

I guess what's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander. . .
 
That makes me laugh, too. Had a guy with a new fully optioned crewcab Cummins 4x4 try to weasel me down on a tractor while telling me how great their crops are and how high they sold them for. They even hauled a truck to my house to trade, even though I told them I didn't want to trade for it. They were very nice polite folks and fun to visit with but I sold my tractor for full price to someone else.
 
This is already a long thread, but my 2 cents worth:

Need to know what it's worth. Print out a recent eBay sale price (completed items) or a Craigslist posting showing same item for sale at a better price.

Offer a little more than that, so seller doesn't say why don't you just go get it there. Been there, done that. DOUG
 
74 posts.If I think a price is out of line Ill make an offer.Plain and simple.Ive called on a tractor and the owner says it needs a battery.I say you want 2000 bucks for a tractor but you wont put a 30 buck battery in the tractor so I can hear the engine run.
 
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