Question WD45 Allis Governor

[Allis38WC]

For pulling, what can you do to the governor to get more RPMs? Thanks! Tom B

 

[Anonymous-0]

175 governor spring

 

[Anonymous-0]

remove the weights make a bushing to hold a spring between it and the pilot bushing the harder you pull the throttle the more it calapses till wide open is reached.

 

[wi50]

I'd assume that you want to govern the engine RPM to say 2060 RPM or something close to that, 10% or 20% over.

You have 2 options. One is more spring pressure, put in a spring from a 170 or adjust your spring tighter.

The second option is to put lighter weights in, this makes less spring pressure for a given RPM.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out, if you put in a stiff spring there's more stress on the weights. If you put a bushing in there can be unlimited stress on those weights. The faster you run the engine the more stress there is on the weights. Eventually those weights are going to break. By lightning the weights you keep the spring pressure down and the stress on the weights is lessened.

I machine and balance the weights. This gives me proper governor control and is the least likely to fail. I don't have any enforced RPM rules to a certain extent so I set ne up to run 3000RPM. If you're going to run say 2000, 2100 or some reasonably lower RPM than a simple spring change is all that is in order.

 

[Anonymous-0]

must take a scientist to understand that there is no weights to stress with the bushing holding spring up off shaft but spring against pilot bearing where the weight fulcrums touched keeping tension on the fork.lol

 

[Anonymous-0]

So lightened weights and a stock spring is a good combination?

 

[Kip-Utah]

My WC with a distributor ignition and stock governor assembly from a WD45 and D17 spring tachs just shy of 2100 RPMs.

 

[Schim]

Must take a scientist to use proper punctuation.

 

[wi50]

A;s long as the weights are in the governer they are spinning and putting stress on them. I shouldn't have to explain this.

Weights come off, go through the timeing gears, seen it happen and repaired the damages.

Not all the advice you fellas read is good advice..... just ask pankey how his governer broke, motor blew up and he quit pulling.

 

[Anonymous-0]

or an a hole from Tn or where ever you are from, there is no doubt in my mind that you are the biggest puncture wound on this site

 

[Anonymous-0]

175 gov.spring will give you about 2000 rpm's-available from any Agco dealer for $40.

 

[Anonymous-0]

One more time remove weights then you have no weiggts
to break or sling into cam and crank gears. Make a spacer to
hold a compressible spring up off gov shaft so shaft can
spin without spring cutting into it. This spring will push bilot
bearing against the fork so that it doesnt flop causing tractor
to rev wide open to idle like one does when the weights
break.make shure buwhing isnt long so that when spring is
compressesd the pilot bearing slides back far enough to let
fork flop back opening carb wide open. When you release
throttle spring pushes pilot bearing forwad causing fork to
move forward pulling carb back to idle. I really cant
understand why this much detail has to be written out for a
puller to get it. Lol

 

[Anonymous-0]

I was actually being serious with my question. Sorry to intrude

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 17:51:28 11/14/13) I was actually being serious with my question. Sorry to intrude

shaggy you didn't intrude as far as I am concerned . yes lightening weights will increase rpms at the cost of weakening weights. I have never lighten a pair that didn't break. never ran a stock pair at 3000 rpms that didn't break either. AS for my post it was sent to my two mocking birds one in Michigan the other in Wisconsin when they get it figured out they will post it on unofficial allis as what they do. lol

 

[piece by piece]

I agree with MLPANKEY I shrapnel my stock governor weights at 2600rpms not fun to clean up tar hole motor apart. We took them out and ran cable to carb with hand throttle and tack. We have no rpm rules let them run.

 

[wi50]

Judging by the pictures of your engineering and workmanship that you've posted in the past I have no doubt that you weakened your governor weights by lightening them in some type of underthought method.

Now in theory the weights are stronger when lightened properly. Well they are not stronger, the fulcrum and pin holes are of course the same strength, but properly lightened they are of the same strebgth and endure less stress for a given RPM, this in turn means that they will take more RPM to exert the same stress as a heavier weight would at a lesser RPM.

It's basic physics. Proper desigh and engineering of any part in a system is as important as choseing the correct parts to start with. Don't let this pankey joker fool you. He's nothing more than a cobbler with no skills and nothing to show for it. Kicked off his forementioned forums and caught lying......by the way did you guys know he owns a chain of shops with all these highly skilled people building engines...or at least has made several claims to. What makes you think he won't outright lie more?

Now removeing the weights and making a solid link,works, Lightening the weights properly, meaning removing material in the correct places works. Putting in a heavier spring works. Hooking direct linkage to the carbuerator is another very simple way to do it.

Just don't take some peoples word that lightening the weights weakens them. I'd like to see some more pictures of shoddy workmanship and poor thought process implemented by pankey so I can show and tell how to do things properly once again.

 

[Anonymous-0]

(quoted from post at 07:04:54 11/18/13) Judging by the pictures of your engineering and workmanship that you've posted in the past I have no doubt that you weakened your governor weights by lightening them in some type of underthought method.

Now in theory the weights are stronger when lightened properly. Well they are not stronger, the fulcrum and pin holes are of course the same strength, but properly lightened they are of the same strebgth and endure less stress for a given RPM, this in turn means that they will take more RPM to exert the same stress as a heavier weight would at a lesser RPM.

It's basic physics. Proper desigh and engineering of any part in a system is as important as choseing the correct parts to start with. Don't let this pankey joker fool you. He's nothing more than a cobbler with no skills and nothing to show for it. Kicked off his forementioned forums and caught lying......by the way did you guys know he owns a chain of shops with all these highly skilled people building engines...or at least has made several claims to. What makes you think he won't outright lie more?

Now removeing the weights and making a solid link,works, Lightening the weights properly, meaning removing material in the correct places works. Putting in a heavier spring works. Hooking direct linkage to the carbuerator is another very simple way to do it.

Just don't take some peoples word that lightening the weights weakens them. I'd like to see some more pictures of shoddy workmanship and poor thought process implemented by pankey so I can show and tell how to do things properly once again.

lets go with theory. Wi wc with all theory is forsale better grab it up if you aint afraid of it.lol i know i am sets in barn like a barn queen does.