Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
I've got two of them in the barn,guess i'm rich.
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
There were only a few 430V ever made. So its very rare. And the last high priced tractor in that family that sold was the first serial number which makes it more collectible, more unique. Not better for working, better for bragging on its being unique.
Gerald J.
Gerald J.
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
I must be rolling in the green also, I have my grandpa's 1931 unstyled D he bought in 1933 with reciept
Walt in Jaxn Tn.
Well-known Member
The question is, is it normal to not want a rare tractor? To have something that few other people can afford or to happen upon a rare find for a steal of a price. I saw a BW-40 a few years ago at a show and remembered it but it was not one of lifes great moments for me. I said "yep, that's a BW-40" and made a comparison with a unstyled "B" that was sitting near by and that was all.
At another small show here in W. Tn. a retired couple brought a John Deere 330. I'd heard that they were offended because there was not enough attention paid to their little tractor and not enough respect shown to them as owners of a rare tractor.
If I owned a rare tractor I would sell it to the highest bidder, I'd rather have the money to buy a more common tractor that was user friendly, something that someone would connect to by way of remembering, remembering a tractor that they grew up on or that a neighbor had or the tractor that pulled the hay wagon one fall Sarurday nite on a hay ride back in 1958.
The early styled hand crank six speed row crop "A" caught my eye many years ago. It's always been my favorite and any other model of John Deere that I owned would take second place to that tractor.
I don't think there are that many people interested in John Deere tractors that really want to "Own" a rare tractor. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Can you say "climate control, dust cover, security, touch do not touch list, velvet rope, certified custom paint certificate, property tax.
--Walt--
At another small show here in W. Tn. a retired couple brought a John Deere 330. I'd heard that they were offended because there was not enough attention paid to their little tractor and not enough respect shown to them as owners of a rare tractor.
If I owned a rare tractor I would sell it to the highest bidder, I'd rather have the money to buy a more common tractor that was user friendly, something that someone would connect to by way of remembering, remembering a tractor that they grew up on or that a neighbor had or the tractor that pulled the hay wagon one fall Sarurday nite on a hay ride back in 1958.
The early styled hand crank six speed row crop "A" caught my eye many years ago. It's always been my favorite and any other model of John Deere that I owned would take second place to that tractor.
I don't think there are that many people interested in John Deere tractors that really want to "Own" a rare tractor. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Can you say "climate control, dust cover, security, touch do not touch list, velvet rope, certified custom paint certificate, property tax.
--Walt--
buickddeere
Member
One's opinion of a rare & valuable item depends if do or do not own it.
The term "sour grapes" sometimes applies.
The term "sour grapes" sometimes applies.
It is truely a " to each, his own" kind of a hobby,I get a big kick out of hearing my old "60" lean into a plow,or hearing the PTO whine on pulling my "30" combine,,it's a sound and fealing from my past that I can still walk up to and touch,,,in todays farming, all it's good for is pulling a wagon out to the baler..The money 'thing' is always out there in any hobby,if some one wants to pay that much for a 'rare' tractor,,it's there money, if I had one they wanted I would oblige them,,and smile all the way to the bank...
NTW ROSEBUD
Member
To some people it is the challenge of looking for and digging up the unusal and different stuff. the ability to say that I have one of these.
To some people it is an ego thing,as in "I can afford this, I have these things, you probably can't afford one of these, and if you can you will have to pay my price, and that makes me special.
A COLLECTIBLE MUST BE--
1- YERY UNIQUE
2- VERRRRRRY EXPENSIVE AND HIGH MAINTENCE
3- LOOKS MAVERLOUS
4- CAN'T USE IT ANY MORE
I have 1 item that fits into this catagory. It is called a WIFE, so I can't afford anything else.
RODEBUD-!!!
To some people it is an ego thing,as in "I can afford this, I have these things, you probably can't afford one of these, and if you can you will have to pay my price, and that makes me special.
A COLLECTIBLE MUST BE--
1- YERY UNIQUE
2- VERRRRRRY EXPENSIVE AND HIGH MAINTENCE
3- LOOKS MAVERLOUS
4- CAN'T USE IT ANY MORE
I have 1 item that fits into this catagory. It is called a WIFE, so I can't afford anything else.
RODEBUD-!!!
Honestly, although I like to LOOK at rare tractors, the the concept of their value is subjective. I COULD have a rare tractor if I wanted, but the money spent on one would be better spent on my children, friends and family. When you die, they don't remember you as the guy w/ the awesome tractor, but as the guy who spent tons of money on his toys, not his family. Especially by your family.
I have several run of the mill tractors. They are all very nicely restored, and at least 4 of them have an "sub-owner", that is, one of my 4 kids. They each learn how to drive, maintain, and hopefully someday, repair them if needed. If they get scratched, I won't like it, but it won't cost me a mint, and life goes on. My children are experiencing the pleasure of driving them, not just "looking at them."
I remember when I was a kid, my cousin's dad had an absolutely awesome gun collection. My cousin was never allowed to touch them, let alone shoot them. (No, they weren't so rare they couldn't be shot, just very nice weapons.) My cousin wanted to be interested in them, but that interest faded as they were "verboten" to handle. When his dad died years later, my cousin sold them all at auction w/o so much as a second thought. Yeah, they brought some cash, but not what some better memories might have been worth.
This hobby was based on fond memories. Back when you could buy a decent A or B or Farmall H for $150 at an auction, it was people who actually had a tie to them that did... not investors. Working farm folks who had good solid values and a work ethic. Not someone out to make a fast buck. Frankly, folks who are in this for the investment disgust me. They've figured out how to change nostalgia to cash, at the expense of those who have the nostalgia. Its making it tough for those who are trying to find SOMETHING they can afford to do, that brings a bit of pleasure into an othewise laborsome life.
Anyone who has the opinion that rare tractors are something to have a "sour grapes" feeling over because you don't have one, may need to reevaluate their priorities.
I've restored tractors fo 25 yrs, and have been very fond of the Deere, but the attitudes of so many snotty individuals in the hobby has become a big turn off. Two cylinder's expos can go pound sand, as can a lot of the jerks who rope off their tractors and are never seen without a chamois in their hands...
I had a very well known collector from Wisconsin try to buy an item from me which I had for sale. Another individual had previously committed to purchase it. The well known collector was adamant that he wasn't leaving without it, and began offering more money. He became absolutely livid when he was refused. It got to the point where his options were Leave or be arrested.
Folks with deep pockets often have shallow characters.
I have several run of the mill tractors. They are all very nicely restored, and at least 4 of them have an "sub-owner", that is, one of my 4 kids. They each learn how to drive, maintain, and hopefully someday, repair them if needed. If they get scratched, I won't like it, but it won't cost me a mint, and life goes on. My children are experiencing the pleasure of driving them, not just "looking at them."
I remember when I was a kid, my cousin's dad had an absolutely awesome gun collection. My cousin was never allowed to touch them, let alone shoot them. (No, they weren't so rare they couldn't be shot, just very nice weapons.) My cousin wanted to be interested in them, but that interest faded as they were "verboten" to handle. When his dad died years later, my cousin sold them all at auction w/o so much as a second thought. Yeah, they brought some cash, but not what some better memories might have been worth.
This hobby was based on fond memories. Back when you could buy a decent A or B or Farmall H for $150 at an auction, it was people who actually had a tie to them that did... not investors. Working farm folks who had good solid values and a work ethic. Not someone out to make a fast buck. Frankly, folks who are in this for the investment disgust me. They've figured out how to change nostalgia to cash, at the expense of those who have the nostalgia. Its making it tough for those who are trying to find SOMETHING they can afford to do, that brings a bit of pleasure into an othewise laborsome life.
Anyone who has the opinion that rare tractors are something to have a "sour grapes" feeling over because you don't have one, may need to reevaluate their priorities.
I've restored tractors fo 25 yrs, and have been very fond of the Deere, but the attitudes of so many snotty individuals in the hobby has become a big turn off. Two cylinder's expos can go pound sand, as can a lot of the jerks who rope off their tractors and are never seen without a chamois in their hands...
I had a very well known collector from Wisconsin try to buy an item from me which I had for sale. Another individual had previously committed to purchase it. The well known collector was adamant that he wasn't leaving without it, and began offering more money. He became absolutely livid when he was refused. It got to the point where his options were Leave or be arrested.
Folks with deep pockets often have shallow characters.
DeereValley
Member
You could not have stated that fact better. It is sad that the only reason some people collect is for the money. They don't own the same tractor more than 2 years, and all they want to do is brag on their stuff. These are the people that have $ signs glazed over their eyes.....
I am 23 and the collection my family has should still be in place the next 60+ years. Maybe a museum one day??
I certainly don't have to put a link to my website at the end of every one of my posts or post pictures on the tractor photos link stating how rare they are. My 2 cents....
I am 23 and the collection my family has should still be in place the next 60+ years. Maybe a museum one day??
I certainly don't have to put a link to my website at the end of every one of my posts or post pictures on the tractor photos link stating how rare they are. My 2 cents....
DeereValley
Member
"I can afford this, I have these things, you probably can't afford one of these, and if you can you will have to pay my price, and that makes me special."
You forgot that they put it on ebay for twice what it should sell for......
You forgot that they put it on ebay for twice what it should sell for......
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
Everyone has a differant definition of the word "rare" Rare to me is something usually with a production number of 500 or less, But there are also "rare" tractors that arent very desirable or valuable either. Some people do list their "rare" tractors on eBay, and some people think they are asking twice as much, Ive listed some rare and expensive tractors on eBay, I had my starting price, and also included the best offer option if someone didnt like my price they could make an offer. There are some people that think that because a John Deere tractor was made in mexico, its very rare, very desirable, and is the next best thing to owning the first 630 hi crop built. Yet they have no actual production numbers to show for their mexican tractor. Whether you call it "rare" "scarce" "hard to find" just look at actual production numbers and decide if 1 of 16, or 1 of 25, 1 of 2, etc is rare. Then look at what one has sold for in the past and base your price on that. So bottom line to me is, look at actual hard proof production numbers and decide for yourself if its rare, if you think it is, list it on eBay if you want to sell it, if not take it to shows and be happy with it. Good Day
Anonymous-0
Well-known Member
Hmm? You dont post pictures talking about how rare your tractors are huh? You only create an entire website dedicated to your collection and then brag about a painted over red gp, or all of your "rare" Models, a quote from your site "1 of our 3 60 LP orchards. These are 3 of 45 built." "The 620 LP are 2 of 92 built" etc. I wouldnt put others down when you seem to be doing the same thing. Those who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. And you want to talk about high prices? Check your starting bids on your eBay auctions and then talk about asking twice as much as its worth. For the comments you make about others, I surely hope you have never sold anything and made a dollar on it, that might put you in their league.
You will find someone that will pay that much for it. Most that I know, use their tractors and are not afraid to get them dirty, cause it does wash off. The most expensive tractors dad and I have bought, were for farm use and not thought of as collectibles. Dad's JD 320 he bought for $2500 5 years ago and for the last 2 repainted it just to stop the rust. The JD 530 I bought was the last of the "B" line of 2 cylinders, with power steering live PTO, 3 point hitch, 35 hp that makes a big difference on my arthritic, beat down 54 year (feeling like 84) old body. The skeleton, 4 speed 1939 B of my learning years does not interest me, nor does dad's 320 or 435 Deere's because of long legs and small seating area.
Tractors have become a commodity that is regulated by market demand, and this is sad to me because of the history of each piece lost to some (not all)that have no knowledge of tractors, and care not as long as there is profit to be made
Tractors have become a commodity that is regulated by market demand, and this is sad to me because of the history of each piece lost to some (not all)that have no knowledge of tractors, and care not as long as there is profit to be made
DeereValley
Member
I really hope people see what you are really all about. How many times have I posted MY website name?
FYI, I made that website for when I sell parts and tractors in the future so I can just send a link to people instead of 20 picture. I posted pictures of a very small portion of our tractors to show people we are serious and we know what we are doing. We aren't people that can just up and leave, we are here for the long haul and the respect we have built shows that too. Also friends wanted to see pictures of the plow day we hosted.
FYI, I made that website for when I sell parts and tractors in the future so I can just send a link to people instead of 20 picture. I posted pictures of a very small portion of our tractors to show people we are serious and we know what we are doing. We aren't people that can just up and leave, we are here for the long haul and the respect we have built shows that too. Also friends wanted to see pictures of the plow day we hosted.
DeereValley
Member
Why are u taking offensive to what I said? There are many tractors on ebay that wont ever sell. But since you mention it, why would you list your 630 Lp standard for $65,000 when the other one on ebay didn't sell at $30,000. Is yours that much nicer? Just thought I would ask since you brought it up. NICE DAY TO U TOO.
DeereValley
Member
Ray,
Our family website is www.foreverdeere.com
If you ever need any parts, I have pictures of some of the tractors we are currently parting out on there as well. There are just a few pictures. We fix anything that is repairable within reason, but there are some that are too far gone. We don't part running tractors unless they have a major problem. We have parts for all people, from As and Bs to we sold a 530 Lp converter bracket (only for 530 lps, different from 50 and 520) this summer. Send me an email if anybody needs anything, it is on the website.
Our family website is www.foreverdeere.com
If you ever need any parts, I have pictures of some of the tractors we are currently parting out on there as well. There are just a few pictures. We fix anything that is repairable within reason, but there are some that are too far gone. We don't part running tractors unless they have a major problem. We have parts for all people, from As and Bs to we sold a 530 Lp converter bracket (only for 530 lps, different from 50 and 520) this summer. Send me an email if anybody needs anything, it is on the website.
I have a rare tractor. Yea, I know its not a DEERE. Its a Massey Harris 33 Diesel. Didn"t have to pay an arm and a leg for it either.Some say 50 built. Others say 150 built.
Saw a really rare Deere at Florida Flywheelers parade-- only 3 built. Was an LP model. Now I can"t remember the model number. Senior disease creeping up on me.lol.
Saw a really rare Deere at Florida Flywheelers parade-- only 3 built. Was an LP model. Now I can"t remember the model number. Senior disease creeping up on me.lol.
Stan - Florida
Well-known Member
MSB.
Which show were you at? I didn't make any of them this winter.
Stan
Which show were you at? I didn't make any of them this winter.
Stan
as an overall reply i bought a 51' MI this summer, real nice original one family local tractor with a loader for a reasonable price.
nice tractor and all but i would rather run my 43 A or 52 R(as soon as i reassemble it
.
id just as soon trade it off for something else like what Ive got or another diesel though i can sorta see why people might prefer a low production tractor.
as much as i would like to see lower prices it is after all a free country, To each his own.
go out and have fun with it
Sam
nice tractor and all but i would rather run my 43 A or 52 R(as soon as i reassemble it
.id just as soon trade it off for something else like what Ive got or another diesel though i can sorta see why people might prefer a low production tractor.
as much as i would like to see lower prices it is after all a free country, To each his own.
go out and have fun with it
Sam
First day, Stan. Going to have to take a golf cart if I go again. Probably ony saw 1/3 of it. It makes Portland look like a county fair.lol.
Went to the Strawberry Festival in Plant City the next day. Sister in law sells ice cream there as well as several other shows in Fla. Her trailer is next to the festival office. Her next gig is in Sarasota.
Where is it you live again ?
Went to the Strawberry Festival in Plant City the next day. Sister in law sells ice cream there as well as several other shows in Fla. Her trailer is next to the festival office. Her next gig is in Sarasota.
Where is it you live again ?
loneranger27
Member
I have been collecting these old tractors ever since my first A i got for $300 and it actually ran. I was in grade school then and I have about 15 tractors now. None of the tractors I have are rare by any means. They are all local tractors someone didnt want any more or forgot about and I ended up with them. When my tractors become rare is when someone comes to my plow day or sees me driving around the backroads and they start to tell me about how their grandfather used to take them for a ride on a tractor just like the one I have, and I get to see the look on their face when I inform them that the tractor is infact the tractor that belonged to their grandfather. I have 4 such tractors that I know belonged to grandfathers of my friends and I am just waiting for the right time to tell them. I have a friend that is just getting into the hobby, and I am pointing him in the direction to fix up the MM U that I have it was his great grandfathers he just doesnt know it. I will tell him after we finish it. But this story has gotten long. I have 3 tractors that belonged to my grandfathers, they are run of the mill popular model tractors but they are the rarest I will ever own. I would not sell them for any amount of money because they are priceless to me. Thats what is rare to me.
Stan - Florida
Well-known Member
Bob,
Thanks for the reply.
We live in West Melbourne, just a mile or so off I-95 at exit 176.
Does your sister-in-law work with Ron Weagraff, of St. Cloud?
Stan
Thanks for the reply.
We live in West Melbourne, just a mile or so off I-95 at exit 176.
Does your sister-in-law work with Ron Weagraff, of St. Cloud?
Stan
Retro80
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It is only worth what someone will pay for it
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