Real farm tractor pulling class

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Id like to see a class that lets guys do what they want with their tractors to make more hp. With stock engine blocks if you want to add a turbo to a 500 ci Farmall m what ever but have to plow with what ever the tractor was rated to plow with when new for 1/2 hour non stop before pulling. If it's a 3 bottom tractor gota pull a 3 bottom plow. And pull in the gear they plowed with. No speed limit. If it wont hold together plowing non stop you cant pull. Go with 3000 lb , 4500lb, 6500lb weight classes. Kinda like the the street car drag races Hot Rod mag puts on where the cars have to see x amount of street/Hwy miles before they race. That way it elemanates pure race cars but still lets guys play with the motor. Would like to see that with tractors. Lets face it stock tractor's are not that fun to watch and It cost so much to run open class tractors.
 
I dont see the point. Most areas have a class that should just about fit everyones level of antique tractor. A new class would just start up a new bag of worms and rules that everyone would complain about. I work ground on the farm. Im tractor pulling when I go to a pull!
 
The point is not to let pure pulling tractors pull make sure the can can hold up to getting worked but still get to mess with the motors. Im not throwing $5000 grand into a motor just for a pulling tractor and most tractors with $5000 or more into the motor wont hold up to getting worked. The same reason that they have street car drag races. If it wont hold up to 200 miles of street and hwy miles they cant race. Not many 8 sec cars would make 200 miles. If it cant its not a street car its a race car just like if a tractor cant pull a plow for a 1/2 hour its not a farm tractor its a pulling tractor. Your saying to many rules Im saying make weight for class, pull a plow for 1/2 hour in the gear your pulling in with a stock engine casting ( in other words no DT466 motor in a M)and other then that run what you want. Thats alot less rules then any class of pulling tractor out there.
 
Who is going to supply the 40 acre field and 30 or so 3bottom plows to pull? If you want to see tractors pulling plows go to a plow day,myself I thought a tgactor pull was to pull some sort of sled.Wow thats way out there.
 
I kind-off disagree with you, my near 100 hp Wc will plow for a 1/2 hr. I think the SS Class of pulling is where farm tractors will be in a few years. 4 turbo's, 2 turbo's are common now. In 1967 a friend of mine pulled his 4020. A MW turbo large head on the little Roosa-master pump. MW oil pan. 7 or 8 blade fan, plus a Vega radiator replacing one of the side shields. blocked of bypass hose. holes drilled around the thermostat. Plus a bunch of stuff I have forgot. 250 pto hp. It was awsum! Now that almost same block has 360 hp from the factory. Racing (pulling) improves the breed. And not to mention the new Ford V6 3.5 L 2 turbo's and I think 300 plus hp on cheap gas. And it gets a solid 20 mpg in everyday driving. 4X4 4 door. No if they had to plow for 1/2 hr the same ones would still win. I know I kinda got carried away! Vic
 
Vic, i have one of those 150s and i can tell it is under rated at 365hp, you can't believe how good this thing tows. i use my about 100hp 77 for plow day and it pulls 3-14s in 5th gear for 6-7 hrs, no problem, i would love this format for pulling. just my 2 cents, chuck
 
yea i agree because it wouldnt be long and all the oliver,int. a-cs,etc would be pulling 3 12s all shined up completely rebuilt then they would make the john deere guys pull 3 16s that were rusty bent up and sprung out of shape see my point it is still plowing but just a little different oh by the way have a wonderful day terry
 
if my math is correct and you have twenty tractors in a class. thats ten hours of plowing before they ever start pulling. it will take you two days running 24 hours a day to have a 60 hook pull. plus what fairground/pull area wants their ground plowed up.
just go with tire size. speed limit and hitch height. make the hitch height 16" if you want to really make it interesting.
just my 3 cents
Eric
 
If you don't like pulling why are you even wanting this? If I wanted to plow I'd go plow, and I do but not with a pulling tractor. It's really funny all the hair brain ideas that people come up with just because thay can't win. If you don't want to put money in your puller then find another, anything, to do.

Kind of reminds one of the way the goverenment is running right now doesn't it. If you don't want to do what it takes to succeed in life then make a rule so others can't.

Oh, and by the way, what do you do if it rains the day before the pull? The tracks dry but the field is wet and you're going to tell everyone to go home? HUH, that will go over real big. Just go plow. OK?

Jim
 
Sounds to me like you need to go get a race car. And by the way i no of a 69 camaro runs 7.90's and yes he does drive it to the track and to work. You also need to read some rules a little better because there are rules to porevent what you r talking about (466 in M). You would also be suprised at how many BIG motors out there would hold up to your little test.
 
(quoted from post at 00:10:15 11/13/11) Vic, i have one of those 150s and i can tell it is under rated at 365hp, you can't believe how good this thing tows. i use my about 100hp 77 for plow day and it pulls 3-14s in 5th gear for 6-7 hrs, no problem, i would love this format for pulling. just my 2 cents, chuck

Chuck, I don't mean anything negative by this but to be fair, I think you said at one time that you TRANSPLANTED a stock 100 HP motor (310 Wauk) into your tractor. Of course it could run all day long, it's a stock motor from a bigger tractor. Most of the pullers out there had to build up the engine to increase the HP.
 
Id like to see a car that runs 7.90 get stuck in traffic for a 1/2 hour and do 75 mph to the expressway with a 4500 stall in it what your going to hold it at 5000 rpm for a hour lol. And by the way thats what I do for a living I work on race cars.
 
youre right i did have a 310 in there for a few years but i sold that engine to a gent from pa about 9 years ago. my 77 does indeed have the original engine, 33/4"bore x4" stroke making it 265cu.in. and it does have about 100hp and has power enourh to spinout in the 10500lb. class on a tight track and i do indeed use it for plow day as stated above. if you go to my you tube site [chucksoliver77], you can see it pulling and plowing with the 265 engine. and i did build the engine myself. heres some pics. that i just went out a took of that 77 engine. chuck
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Chuck, I have seen your youtube videos and they are AWESOME! That is 1 good looking 77, I would love to know how many wins and top 3 place ya have got over the years....Is that the stock head on your 77 or is it something else?
 
i can't tell you how many,but there a alot of them. the head is the original head, but i did a lot of porting and polishing, big valves etc. thanks for the kind words, chuck
 
If you are a race car mechanic why Don t you build a 500ci engine and your worries will be over? Labor is the biggest cost factor in building pulling engines.
 
Doesn't necessarily depend on your motor size. It's being able to put the horsepower to the tires then to the track. I by no means have any large cubic inch thousand dollar tractor motors...they're small and they work since the power goes where it needs be. Speed is not everything!
 
(quoted from post at 12:14:50 11/13/11) Id like to see a car that runs 7.90 get stuck in traffic for a 1/2 hour and do 75 mph to the expressway with a 4500 stall in it what your going to hold it at 5000 rpm for a hour lol. And by the way thats what I do for a living I work on race cars.

Real drag racers going that fast don't use automatics, they use Lenco's or something similar, which, as you know, have a clutch, not a torque converter. In fact, Lenco has come out with a new model called the ST1200 which was specifically designed for just such an application and is rated to handle up to 1200 horsepower. An old buddy of mine used to have a Chevelle that put a little over 900 to the ground and he drove it every day of the week with no troubles, AFTER he had had some time to iron out all the kinks that is! LOL!! Cooling was the biggest problem, and yes, it was supercharged.

BTW, has anyone else noticed how much a Lenco tranny looks and operates like the T/A's that have been on farm tractors for over 50 years? The more things change, the more they stay the same...
 
(quoted from post at 12:17:04 11/13/11) Nobody lets me pull I don't run stock manifolds and Im not going to pull against motor that are 500ci when Im on 281 ci.

Why not? I pull 158 ci against tractors with as much as 300+, which is twice what I have, but I still have fun, and win too! My Dad pulls 264 ci against a few tractors that reach 1000 ci, but he still pulls, and he still wins as well, usually much more convincingly that I do.

Why don't you try selling the manifold, and use the proceeds to buy one that is a propane version for your tractor, polish it as needed, port match it and away you go! Sounds like a proven combination to me.
 
Right on Bob.. well said, my Dad pulls a Massey with 62hp in 5500-6500 3.5mph, he is in 1st gear, no cut tires, cast wheels, and powers out, against me and other tractors with well over 100hp with cuts. and usually in top 5 out of 25 tractors. Kind of funny to see him beat the guys that take pulling waaaay!!! to serious! like they are NTPA SUPERS, but i guess I would be mad if I spent $10k on a motor and got waxed by a M&W kit, and big carb,,,LOL
 
(quoted from post at 15:32:30 11/16/11) Sorry but you said it was a street car not a real drag car. And lencos don't hold up well to street use.

Let's face it, any car capable of running 7.90's IS a real race car, slightly modified to be street legal. Lenco's hold up just fine for street use in what used to be called a Pro-Street car, but if you read my post again, you will see that I said "Real drag racers going that fast don't use automatics, they use Lenco's ...", and later in the same post, I mentioned a Lenco designed specifically for street car applications up to 1200 HP. You think the company is going to market something for street use that they think/know won't hold up to street use? In reality however, it's like any other decision in life; What are you willing to put up with in order to do (or, in this case, drive), what you want? Don't expect great fuel mileage and forget about much in the way of creature comforts and winter driving with a car capable of running 7.90's in the 1/4 mile. And I wouldn't want to take any long trips in it, either, as it probably doesn't have A/C, and those big HP engines give off a LOT of heat!

As for your claim that you "work on race cars" for a living, Livernois Motorsports is not known as a race car builder, they are known as a tuner shop, which is another way of saying bolt on performance, no intelligence required. Just pick it out of the catalog and pay your money. Your employer will make it easier still and not only sell it to them but install it for them. "Like the old adage says, how fast can you afford to go?" What do you drive there, bolts, the parts truck or the shop broom? Or maybe you're a paint and body man? Nothing wrong with that, I always admired custom car painters, artistry in motion, not to mention you'd most likely have the best paint job on a tractor of anyone at the pull.

As to your original suggestion for a plow and pull type of competition, the logistics of it just won't work except under very specialized circumstances. I understand what you are wanting to do, it's just that plow-n-pull is not a real good execution of it. Don't feel bad about it though, lots of others before you have tried to come up with ideas to accomplish the same thing and they didn't really work all that well either, if at all. For instance, there used to be a pull in KY where the promoter put tractors on a dyno if they pulled too well, to see what kind of HP they were making, and if it made more than a certain amount over that tractor's NE test figure, he disqualified it from farm stock. Problem with that approach was, he used a PTO dyno, and not every puller has a working PTO in it. In my case for instance, my '40 H didn't come with one and also has no provision to install one and hook it to the transmission to make it work. To install a PTO in it, the counter shaft has to be swapped for one with driver splines on the end. This doesn't at first glance sound like a big deal, except that it is not a simple matter of finding one in a later model and installing it, they won't fit! Too long. Seems IH made about 45,000 or so tractors that way before seeing the error of their ways, and building all the rest with the splines on the counter shaft no mater if a PTO was on the build sheet or not, but it was too late to do mine any good.

How about my suggestion on your custom intake? You going to try it? With those kind of resources available to you, (Livernois), you should have NO problem getting a stock intake to work better than anyone else. I will add to my suggestion and say you should get to be real good friends with one or more of the port polishing men there and talk him/trade him into working on your tractor's head/intake combo. Then you won't miss that custom fabricated intake at all. Might even out pull it!
 
Must of done a great job of tuning this mustang, we built this car from the ground up 3.78 @ 204 mph in the 1/8 mile on 10.5 inch tires. uphttp://youtu.be/ae9vTD4bxLk And no it's not a street car it's a real race car so I guess we are not just a tuner shop.
 
Don't have any fancy videos of it but my old boss has an 1100 hp camaro with a built powerglide (automatic) run high 7's low 8's all nite long and not that i care but they already have plow/pull classes in europe, utube it so apparently it is possible
 
billy rock,
I'm typing slower so you can understand: he's not my buddy, he's a friend of my cousin. And spark plug changers come pretty cheap.
 
(quoted from post at 20:56:57 11/16/11) Must of done a great job of tuning this mustang, we built this car from the ground up 3.78 @ 204 mph in the 1/8 mile on 10.5 inch tires. uphttp://youtu.be/ae9vTD4bxLk And no it's not a street car it's a real race car so I guess we are not just a tuner shop.

So, I guess you are just the shop sweeper since you ignored the question. And also I see that instead of taking the good advice that has been offered you here, you instead have chosen to just sit at your keyboard and b*tch about people that either know more then you how to make their tractors pull or else are not as lazy as you and know when to take good, solid advice. I'm done with you.
 
(quoted from post at 21:32:48 11/16/11) Don't have any fancy videos of it but my old boss has an 1100 hp camaro with a built powerglide (automatic) run high 7's low 8's all nite long and not that i care but they already have plow/pull classes in europe, utube it so apparently it is possible

Check your driver's license. I just checked mine and I'm not in Europe. Like I said, not really feasible from a logistical point of view under the conditions laid out by the OP. Never said anything about it being impossible. In 1961 when John issued his challenge, it was pretty unfeasible to fly to the moon, but in 1969 we did it anyway, so is was possible.

Powerglides. I always had a certain affection for any car running one. Poor-man's Lenco we used to call them. About as unbreakable and untemperamental as an anvil! Used to run one in my old 68 Camaro. High nines with a BB 396 on a 10" slick. But that was a long time ago, nitrous kits were just beginning to be affordable and I didn't have one yet. I think I sold that car in '83 or so. Wish I had it back along with the '69 Z-28 I had before it. Oh well, hind sight and all that.
 
I do metal fabrication, And Ive had my tube intake and exhaust on the flow bench with a cast manifold There is no way that a cast manifold can flow the cfm with the velocity that the manifolds I made do. Shape and length is all wrong with the cast manifold. It needs to be longer before any bends (atleast 5 1/4") as it goes into the head. Both the intake and exhaust. Owell I like the looks people give my tractor at the shows + Ive got about 40 hours into the tube manifolds. I rather run out of traction then power.
 
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