Replace tires?

[showcrop]

Look for cracks. If OK-hold air- just run them!!!!! Heck- now days wishy-washy sissy types won't go around the block without a cell phone, use seat belts in a 1 ton truck, and think cars-trucks need look out cameras! Don't drink the cool aid! Be cool. Somebodies got to still ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth......

Once you get to be old enough to get your drivers license you will have a couple close calls that will possibly cause you to rethink your philosophy, but most likely you will hopefully just die before procreation.

 

[Ericp351]

Showcrop, Really??? You calling me out?

 

[sotxbill]

If you run them loaded... near max capacity, they will fail and you can expect to loose a tire almost every trip, if not every other trip. We haul hay several times a year and run at max load or sometimes slightly over. And we were running " what ever" was on the trailer, AND yes, every trip was an adventure. On my 40ft gooseneck I switch to the 6 year rule, and had almost no failures running over loaded... Then I went from E rated to G rated.... and have had NO failures on tires since. My brother is still running the " what ever" E rated tires and we(he) have still have a blowout on his almost every single trip. Some of them are 10 years, some are 13 years old. And,, its always 106 degrees, a super busy 2 lane highway, a bad incline, and his tools/jack dont work. So, if your going to run a "fair" load or more, you really need to replace the tires. If your hauling a riding lawn mower, then no, you might not need to change them out. Always carry a 20 ton bottle jack and 2x6 blocks, to lift a fully loaded trailer. A common 3 ton floor jack is worthless.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

Please advise where that information comes from.

Makes no sense. Deterioration is caused by UV light. The insides of tires are not exposed to UV. They rot from the outside in.

Only time I've personally ever seen a tire dry rotted on the inside is when it's so bad you can put your finger through the sidewall. Rotten from the outside, rotten to the core. Normally when I break down an old weather-checked tire, expecting it to be rotted clear through, it's like new on the inside. Even smells like fresh new rubber.

RV and trailer tires it's commonly recommended to replace them every 6 years regardless of tread, and that's because they tend to be cheap tires from offshore manufacturers. It's so bad you can't hardly get a good quality trailer tire anymore without going heavy commercial (F or G rated).

 

[Fixingfarmer]

I do kinda wonder if tires had an expiration date what the dot would give for a recommendation because there is a large variance in what is acceptable in people’s minds and that’s where the info mostly resides. Generally there’s the kick them see if they are ok they will be fine and the oh no they are too old I’m going to die on the interstate. It’s a round piece of rubber spinning at 80mph. It can fail day one. I spent a lot of money on some name brand ones for them to fail within weeks because of a medium sized rock on a gravel road while having Walmart tires last a decade. Higher load range if you are not exceeding the load on your axle will do you no good. E is sufficient for most pickups up to their axle limit. Load range e is also sufficient for trailers rated for the task. Never ever will a court rule you had too old a tire. A dot officer will state you didn’t have enough tread, had an unsafe goofy wear pattern or didn’t have tires with a weight rating heavy enough. If your properly rated tires are overloaded...I’m sure you can see where I’m going with this. So is the trailer. But to put a stamp on a tire that it needs to be out of service is akin to the date codes on nh3 hoses. Is the abundance of caution worth the expense? In that case yes because people would keep them on 20 years and splice them together. And then they would pop on the next farmer down the list borrowing the tank. I suppose the answer to this is about the same. Cars were supposed to be flying by 2015 anyway.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

I do kinda wonder if tires had an expiration date what the dot would give for a recommendation because there is a large variance in what is acceptable in people’s minds and that’s where the info mostly resides. Generally there’s the kick them see if they are ok they will be fine and the oh no they are too old I’m going to die on the interstate. It’s a round piece of rubber spinning at 80mph. It can fail day one. I spent a lot of money on some name brand ones for them to fail within weeks because of a medium sized rock on a gravel road while having Walmart tires last a decade. Higher load range if you are not exceeding the load on your axle will do you no good. E is sufficient for most pickups up to their axle limit. Load range e is also sufficient for trailers rated for the task. Never ever will a court rule you had too old a tire. A dot officer will state you didn’t have enough tread, had an unsafe goofy wear pattern or didn’t have tires with a weight rating heavy enough. If your properly rated tires are overloaded...I’m sure you can see where I’m going with this. So is the trailer. But to put a stamp on a tire that it needs to be out of service is akin to the date codes on nh3 hoses. Is the abundance of caution worth the expense? In that case yes because people would keep them on 20 years and splice them together. And then they would pop on the next farmer down the list borrowing the tank. I suppose the answer to this is about the same. Cars were supposed to be flying by 2015 anyway.

You won't find a tire manufacturer that gives an expiration date on tires, or will even make a recommendation on replacement based on age. They are apparently protected from liability through omitting this information.

The only information you will find on replacing due to age is passed around like a bad rumor with no definitive source. That includes the 6 year recommendation I mentioned earlier in this thread. There is no source for that information, it's just something "everyone knows."

I'd imagine NH3 hoses begin degrading at a predictable rate once exposed to NH3. I'd also imagine that statistically, most tires wear out before they rot.

 

[Ericp351]

My experience is in line with Mr Barnyard engineering, above. They age- outside in. Case in point- last year replaced pair 14.00 20's on my military 6X6. a challenging application, right? Anyway, weather checking sidewalls- 100% A ok inside. Those are 10,000 lb. ea cap jobs, but principal should apply. Post Script- I worry about a member. "Sharecrop", above saw fit to both insult and threaten myself AFTER I liked his flippant post. Not normal on this family friendly and otherwise civilized sight. Anybody able to relay his location, details? May be having a break-down/ hazard to himself or others! What do they say nowadays: "See Something-Say something!"?? Maybe myself, or a friend, should look in on him.....

 

[Fixingfarmer]

Yeah so is a hose that has sat on the shelf the same as one put in service? I guess that is about the question being asked. The law that they made says there is no difference. Date of manufacture

 

[Gambles]

You won't find a tire manufacturer that gives an expiration date on tires, or will even make a recommendation on replacement based on age. They are apparently protected from liability through omitting this information.

The only information you will find on replacing due to age is passed around like a bad rumor with no definitive source. That includes the 6 year recommendation I mentioned earlier in this thread. There is no source for that information, it's just something "everyone knows."

I'd imagine NH3 hoses begin degrading at a predictable rate once exposed to NH3. I'd also imagine that statistically, most tires wear out before they rot.

Taken right from the Michelin's official web site: (and you gotta remember that this is from their legal department.......)

A few milestones and tips:​

1. Keep five years in mind
After five years or more in use, your tires should be thoroughly inspected at least once per year by a professional.
2. Ten years is a maximum
If the tires haven't been replaced 10 years after their date of manufacture, as a precaution, Michelin recommends replacing them with new tires. Even if they appear to be in usable condition and have not worn down to the tread wear indicator. This applies to spare tires as well.

 

[Gambles]

The opinion of running an old tire will vary by each and every individual here, but here's one more good reason to at least have a fairly newer tire on your vehicle:
My daughter lives in Phoenix. She's single, has her own house and makes enough money to make your head spin, but still drives a 2003 Ford Escape. (She can afford about anything, but I guess I need not say she's pretty frugal) Anyway, during the massive heat they had last summer, she hit some debris and had a tire blowout on a busy street. She just happened to be a 1/2 block away from a tire store that's a national chain. So she walked to the store and told them what had happened. She said she would buy a new tire (or was it four?) if they would send a guy to install her spare so she could drive it to their store. The store manager sent an employee to her vehicle and he commenced to installing the spare. He dropped the spare and suddenly stopped. He noticed that her vehicle had the original spare on it AND WOULD NOT FINISH INSTALLING IT for liability sake because it was too old.. She begged and pleaded with him to install it. Nope. She told him to install it and then HE could drive it to the shop. Nope, even though they were only a half a block away from the store. My daughter then had to get a co-worker to finish putting the spare on because some knucklehead had previously put the tire on with an impact and she couldn't break the lug nuts loose.
Lawyers run this country.

 

[Fixingfarmer]

Insanity. He’s free to do what he wants in this country but he’s that close run back with the tire and change it quick he could have walked back and rolled the tire that distance lord knows he didn’t walk probably has a nice air conditioned pickup. Then changed it and could have been on her way. No spare nobody has to get riled up that’s what’s wrong common sense truly is a superpower nowadays. Your daughter seems like she’s got a good head on her shoulders it’s just a shame no one in the service department did.

 

[Fixingfarmer]

The heat though is something to take into account. Most of the recaps not destroyed in the busy seasons on the coop trucks failed on days 90 and above.

 

[Ericp351]

Tire shop bum must have been related to that showcrop wimp, above! Hope she bought the tires from a REAL shop! Sadly- many Americans got Fat , Dumb, and Happy, them hide behind "regulations". Real welfare state stuff. Glad your girl got it figured. Maybe get her a nice 4-way lug wrench and gloves for her birthday, if she needs them or not! Rock On.

 

[Fixingfarmer]

That’s kind of what I had never seen before that 10 year max recommendation in writing. Good find! For a vehicle carrying passengers and steer tires on anything I won’t argue with it. I will admit I’ve never been a Michelin person they were always super expensive and the truck tires were a slightly different size you had to pay attention when matching them up so that’s not a place I’d look naturally. I was a Goodyear person till the paper thin tire on my wife’s car got split by a decent rock. I don’t know what to get anymore other than the cheapest thing the good tire guy will sell me. He told me no on the Goodyear’s and I didn’t listen figured I’d buy American since they work ok on the pickup.

 

[Ericp351]

I still go to a local shop that can sell tires. They aren't scared off by a tractor tire, tube, or patch. They sell Mastercraft and other "off brand" made in Ohio stuff. They WOULD Not leave a lady to fight with a spare on the road side. Want cheap-sloppy, rude and stupid- I recommend Sams Club + most "big Box" and "ShowCrop" type Morons! Why have brains and care when idiots can read a 1-size-fits-all idiot guide, right?? Sometimes I miss working with the Service men in the Gulf, or in the Philippians. They work hard and get the job done. Watch out for each other and don't need a cell phone to blow their nose.

 

[super99]

My 2012 F150 with 30K miles on it has always been parked in the barn. I mainly use it for occasional towing of a car trailer. The tires look new. The question is, with 10 years on them, should they be replaced regardless of the appearance?

How old are you? Do you pull a trailer or haul heavy loads? I'm 72, have arthritis in my lower back and left hand. I've had 1 flat hauling a tractor and 1 lost all the tread about 3 miles from my destination but was still inflated. I limped that one in and got unloaded. Took the tire off and got a new one and put it back on before hauling the tractor home. The other one was a 45 minute wait for a service truck to come and bring new tire and fix it along side the interstate, I think that cost the price of 2 new tires. I guess it depends if you want to take the chance of having a flat on the road and fixing it with cars and trucks flying by at 75 mph. Not for me!! I replace them at 7 years with less than 10,000 miles so I don't have to chance it. Chris

 

[blueridge]

My 2012 F150 with 30K miles on it has always been parked in the barn. I mainly use it for occasional towing of a car trailer. The tires look new. The question is, with 10 years on them, should they be replaced regardless of the appearance?

I Have a 2007 Chevy 3/4 Ton I Bought New and now has 42,000 on it. has been kept inside, sometimes pulling Goose Neck 20 Ft. with Farmall H on it. I changed tires about 2 years ago. glad I did Now.

 

[Ericp351]

Just as the Dice have No Memory, Tires tend to not know the age of the driver. If buying tires at 5 yrs., 7, 10 years, whatever is your thing- by all means: do it! Stored properly, inflated, and used appropriately- tires can serve a long time. The converse is also true. 5 years sitting out in Arizonia ain't like 5 years indoors in Canada, nor like 5 years overloaded in Florida. How about Drag racing in Texas verses a light duty truck that is 90% used like a car? A pampered truck with older tires can be A-Ok, just as newer Chinese tires chronically underinflated and overloaded can be bad at a year or so. Look at them, think, inflate, and enjoy! One need not surrender their brains after they heard about a chart at a Walmart, or such. When that happens to me- I should give up driving. Drink the cool aid at your own risk. Post Script- Rotate.

 

[dhermesc]

It all depends on what you are doing. To me heavy loads and high speeds take a fast toll on a set of tires. But if you can keep at least keep speed to a minimum you might get away with a heavy load - and if you don't you are not going fast enough to really break something.

My mom had a 1999 Taurus that my sister and I gave her. In 2016 I took the car and had new tires put on it - the old ones were Continentals with only 35K on them (yes - about 2000 miles a year). Those went on a hay wagon and are still on it to this day. But that wagon is only pulled by a tractor - some times with loads that are at least half again more than their rating. While on my mom's car they spent 99.9% of their life in a garage, and the only time they got wet was when the car got washed. They have been sitting outside everyday for the last 7-8 years and are starting to show some weathering - but I will use them again this summer.

But by the same token - I didn't want my 70+ year old mother driving on old half tread tires - fixing a tire is not something she is going to do and not something I wanted to get called away from work to do. Had the car been my 16 year old son's he would have drove on them and liked it.

 

[Levi81]

If you run them loaded... near max capacity, they will fail and you can expect to loose a tire almost every trip, if not every other trip. We haul hay several times a year and run at max load or sometimes slightly over. And we were running " what ever" was on the trailer, AND yes, every trip was an adventure. On my 40ft gooseneck I switch to the 6 year rule, and had almost no failures running over loaded... Then I went from E rated to G rated.... and have had NO failures on tires since. My brother is still running the " what ever" E rated tires and we(he) have still have a blowout on his almost every single trip. Some of them are 10 years, some are 13 years old. And,, its always 106 degrees, a super busy 2 lane highway, a bad incline, and his tools/jack dont work. So, if your going to run a "fair" load or more, you really need to replace the tires. If your hauling a riding lawn mower, then no, you might not need to change them out. Always carry a 20 ton bottle jack and 2x6 blocks, to lift a fully loaded trailer. A common 3 ton floor jack is worthless.

We run 2/3 wore out load range E truck from our farm truck tires on our 25 ft gooseneck. Never ran a tire low on air, never have any problems. Trailer sits out except when it’s raining.