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Well any more when a person tells me there a Christian I have learned I better go the other way because they will lie, steal and or stab me in the back. What is it now days that a person who claims to be Christian is more likely to #$%^^ you over and not look back. What happen to do on to others as you would have them do on to you. Or a mans word is his bond. Sorry just getting tired of people who claim to be Christians stabbing me in the back.
 
Mr Old, I'm sorry to read your opinion of Christians . I am a Christian , struggeling in this old cruel world . No man is perfect . There was only one man that was perfect & He was severely tarnished & died a merciless death on the Cross for all of us sinners . Yes I am also a sinner but saved only by the Grace of God . I do feeel some of your anquish though . Until the year 2000 I was a happily married , self employed man with a very sweet Christian wife . But Satan tempted her at her work location & she gave in to an adultress life style . Her leaving me after 33 yrs of marriage about ripped my heart out . I then turned my eyes from God & toward my problems . I became very bitter & hateful . This also caused me many problems in my business & health issues really took control of me . I was more or less forced into disability . And I also had worked for people that said they were Christians but proved different when pay day came . But you know something ? God never took His hands off of me . And yes I am becoming a much better person & yes I do have something to live for . This world is very cruel & a lot of people in it are very cruel . So please Mr Old , don't label Christians as perfect & without fault . One will never know what a person is going through at a certain moment of their life unless they have walked in their shoes . I do hope something I've shared has helped you in some way & not angered you more . May God bless you . Ken
 
When Dad and Grand-Dad ran their garage, Dad always said that if a man came in there a'thumpin' on the Bible, you'd better hold onto your wallet. Not all, but a good many of those folks used their Bibles to hide behind while they lied, cheated, and stole as much as they could from folks.

On the other hand, a select few of their Christian customers would've given you the shirt off their backs if you'd needed it. No, it didn't come close to evenin' out, but Brother Carl Marshall and Brother Bob Stark, a couple of lay ministers, were as honest as the day is long, and if they told you something, you could take it to the bank. The garage has been closed for over 15 years now, and both of these gentlemen have passed on, but the way they lived their lives really left me impressed with them.

And a couple of "alleged" ministers who came in were always trying to get something for nothing, and would do whatever it took. Thank goodness we didn't do much work for any of them, and most of that kind were "welcomed" not to ever come back.
 
Old, I see your point.. I have seen wayyy too many business cards with an image of the Jesus fish, only to be cheated by that person..

On a positive note, true Christians do not need to advertise..

Real Christians conduct themselves and their business, in a way that they do not need to tell anyone..
 
Old,-- I believe sometimes God tests every one, It does say in His word, to beware of the anti Christ. I will always believe this to be true, as some people today, only want to be Christians when they know they are missing something in their lives and and don't know what it is. They truly haven't felt the love of God. They probably want it badly, and don't know how to receive it.
 
Kinda like the time when I was a teenager and was looking to buy a car from a lot where the sign said "HONEST JOHN'S"...Pappy told me that if he has to TELL you he's honest, he probably ain't.
 
It happens.

There's two words for it: human nature.

The most intelligent, malleable, flexible species on earth.

And guess what?

WE ALL SUCK.
 
You sound like you have a third grade education. Break out a dictionary and look up the definitions of "their" and "there" so it would appear that you made it to the fourth grade. only people of marginal intellect would make categorical statements. That was a categorical statement. So even you might understand: "All Christians are dishonest." "All people using the witty moniker 'Old' are really bright."
 
You're one to bloody talk.
The correct word is they're, as in 'they are'. I don't generally set out to correct anyone's grammar given that my own is not so hot, but you could at least be correct since you set out to correct someone else.

Rod
 

My Old Granpa used to say, "Sonny boy if your do en business with a bible thumper make sure your thumping an iron clad contract, cause there is a reason they are thumping a bible at you" In the past 40 years to be completely true. Period!!!!!
 
a good christian wouldn't tell you they are one to try an make you think they're trust worthy. like buzzman said it's like putting honest in front of your name. however if they were truthful and said hi I'm a lieing cheating rooster sucker you wouldn't give them the chance to @%&*$!@# you
 
Hey there;
Everyone has their opinion , here's mine.
A person should never say "I'm a Christian",
other people should say it OF THEM, never
blow your own horn. Live your life so that
others KNOW if you are a "Christian" or not!!
Bob
God Bless
 
Old
I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way. People can say anything they want to get you to trust them. That doesn't mean its true. Some people claim to be Christians and they even go to church on Sunday, but that doesn't mean that they are walking with the Lord. A man who is living his life according to God's word, won't lie, cheat, or stab you in the back. You can tell a lot more about a person by the way they live their life than the words that come out of their mouth.
 
Worked for a guy who painted houses and businesses in Phoenix. We painted 2 churches and got paid for neither. We stopped painting churches. Can't eat a sermon.

In my experience, when someone hides behind religion, there is a reason...


Aaron
 
I make categorical statements all the time, and I will put my education up against yours any day, from private gradeschool through grad school. Wanna compare SAT scores? How about LSATs? Better bring on the heavy lumber! And yet-
I sell tires for a living, wise man!
Much like Christians, those who claim to be educated rarely are as smart as they beleive- and you, my friend, have zippy knowledge of the human condition. I will take the mis-spelled rambling of country folk over your presumptious horse crap any day.
What, pray tell, was the educational level of Abraham Lincoln?
 
Bingo!! You are 100% correct. Those who have to wear it on their sleeves and tell everyone about it are the ones to look out for. The real Christians don't advertise it; they LIVE it. ystem.
 
Bingo!! You are 100% correct. Those who have to wear it on their sleeves and tell everyone about it are the ones to look out for. The real Christians don't advertise it; they LIVE it. ystem.
 
Old, I lived south of the Mason-Dixon line for about ten years, so I got an education in bible-thumpers. If the first words out of somebody's mouth are "I'm a Christian", you better hold on to your wallet.

The true Christians don't wear it on their sleeves. I worked with a fellow for many years before I learned he is deeply religious and his father is a minister. Deeds, not words, as they say.
 
Sadly old I too have seen what you are talking about. My wife in her job has regular contact with "clergy" that are shall we say less than honest about their business affairs. At this point she puts these "men of God" somewhere around politions on the "can you trust them" scale of honesty.

Keep the faith, and let your light shine.
 
Is this from you Mr. Old ? I agrre on the fact people should know we are Christians by what we do & say . It's called Fruits . But again , we are Humans & humans do fail occassionally . Isn't it great that God forgives us each time we ask Him . One thing for sure , God knows our hearts . God bless, Ken
 
A guy with a 620 verbal SAT score would not have made that error....and a lawyer would not have made it in a rebuttal.
A southern gentleman would not have started in on others...but your alledged degree identifies you as a west coast pr!ck anyway
 
You asked, I answered. Are you just a poseur? I guess my "lumber" was too big for you. My scores are rather modest compared to many of the people I went to school with but then again Loyola Law School has a well deserved reputation of high standards.
 
and for the record, that's a "steroetype" not a "generalization"....although you could be the "archetype" for the west coast know-it-all
 
Abe was an interesting person, good reading about him, and those times, my grandfather worked on the centennial in the early 60's as a commercial artist, for the NYS civil war commission, the state education dept or some similar agency here has quite bit of documents, photos from then etc. I have a black and white of Lincoln during the civil war, taken from a negative, would have to dig it up, might the one of the 2 from his visit to Antietam, I forget which one, but it's a nice clear shot, my grandfather must have pulled a lot of information from the archives for this state project, found a file he kept at home that ended up here after he passed 30 years ago and that photo was in it. The state has at least one very significant document from then in their possession, some idiot, the curator, state historian actually stole a bunch of items was actually selling them on ebay, got caught, a atty who was knowledgeable on these items flagged them to the authorities, most if not all items were returned, should have seen him running from the cameras on the news, he had a great state job, six figure + all the benefits, not anymore.... pure idiot, how do you screw up like that in times like this, a job like that is just about as good as it gets for the state.

Ole Abe did attend some formal schooling, and was granted a law license at some point after, but I think the criteria to become a lawyer is a lot different today than what he had to do. He was definitely out of the country, a farmer, then ran a store with a partner, went belly up, 2nd time around it did ok, then he started getting into legal representation, followed by politics, at least something like this, very interesting history, like some of his quotes, though I can't remember a one right now !
 
No I am not the "original" "west-coast know-it-all" and I admitted I was wrong but you on the other hand misued the word "arcetype" and came up short on all accounts. And I never insulted you or used vulgar language like southern gentlemen are want to do. You may sell tires and you may have gone to law school but you asked and I answered and you can't handle the truth.
 
A 42 LSAT? ABA denies acreditation to any law school that accepts students with less than a 140 score. And you claim a 42? Do you mean a 142? Did you mishear something your buddies said, or misquote something you read?
Or did your parents build a library at Loyola?
My score was 3 1/2 times your stated score, and I didn't even get in to the lil law school I applied for in Charlottesville... you may have heard of it.
 
Even Jesus had disdain for those who wore their religion like a medal. He was pretty sharp with the Pharisees, right? And he sure didn't like mixing business with religion- He toppled the money changers, huh?
If you beleive in using the New Testament as a model, I think He gives you some pretty solid instruction on how to deal with these folks.
 
WRONG AGAIN, smart guy
. better check archetype in a dictionary....Man, you just keep exposing yourself as a boob, don't you?
 
Well in a way I have to agree with you.It doesnt have to be the ones that say"Im a christian".A lot of times its anybody that you try and do business with.They will shake your hand and stab you in the back with the other and break the blade off in there at the same time.It does tend to be the ones that seem to think they are better than everybody else.Those tend to be the ones that generally run up to you and say"Im a Christian"and you know under their breath they are saying"and you are scum and I am going to take advantage of you any way I can".A person has to forgive and forget sometimes,and the world is probly a better place because there are folks that go to church and dont stab you in the back,and live the life of a Christian and dont make a spectacle about it.I have to say there are few people I trust,and especially anybody that wears a suit.If you are ever doing any job,and people wearing suits come and look at what you are doing,you may as well forget about common sense.It goes right out the window.Like the brass in the service.Since the "Christians"usually wear suits,I already am looking for an exit or a place to run,cause I dont want to get struck by lightning.
Some of you all that like to talk about spelling,I will take an answer from Old any day over your smart a$$ed one.I bet its that way if you meet him too,though I never have.Either you lawyer/college boy/suit wearing types are jealous,or just disgusting.Also I am from the same side of the Mason/Dixon line as he is,in the same state.Some of you chosen ones on here give me lots of static,and I can spell real good.You see,you all are all about yourself,and could care less about others.There are lots of smart people out here in the world,and lots of us dont get on the internet.Just like everything else,a few hogs have to get in it and ruin it for everybody else.If it were you,and you were stumped,when somebody like Old speaks,you shut up and listen.Of course,no,not you.You just run your mouth,and make people mad,and what they learn from you is they dont like you.If they dont like you,they wont listen to your answer. They didnt teach you manners,did they?Respect your elders.Find a way to communicate that doesnt make you look like a hog.
 
We have the Christian Business Directory in the foyer at my church. I looked in there once, decided to never advertise my remodeling business, or use any of them in there, I know to much about their business dealings to trust the whole bunch. Greg
 
trucker, there are few things you and i agree on- but one is the respect we both have for "old", and for the decency of the American "everyman".
 
Rich,
Boy did you open a hornets nest.These people are fighting over their intellect.Sad day indeed.Neither of them are Ivy league either.All this over Christianity.Bad very bad.
Vito
 
Old, you need to look to the people that SHOW you that they are Christians, rather than the ones that TELL you they are.
 
There are counterfiet $20.00 bills only because there are REAL ones.
There are hipocrites only because there are REAL ones!
You probably don't want to hear this but you will someday meet your maker. You can meet Him as your Savior or as your judge.
"...every knee shall bow...and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father".
 
Guess you don't know me or what happened about one year ago. My dad died on the 12th of may last year. He was a retired preacher so yes I know the book well from front to back and back to front
 
I am so sorry. I'm a recent reader of this forum and enjoy these OT topics very much! It helps if we know somethings, like what you just shared, to better understand each other. Lack of communication causes much grief! Blessings to you on Monday.
 
Old,one percent of any group is criminal.This goes for Christians,bikers, Marines,factory workers,whatever the group is including the general population.By being a member of any group and being criminal they tent to taint the rest however wrongly it may be.
 
Wear it on their sleeves? How about a cross tatoo on the forearm? Mine has sometimes got a shock reaction from a few people- it's not a normal crucifix. Luke: I have been counted among the transgressers - or something like that. RN.
 
Oh I do Jim . And one thing I live for is Praying for people that don't want to accept Christ . There's always room for 1 more Saved sinner . God bless, Ken
 
So what happens if you are Buddhist, Jewish , nnalert or any of the many other Non-Christian religions. Ever wonder what happens to those people.
Walt
 
Fortunately advertising is the same no matter what the source. As soon as somebody from out of the blue. Starts telling you how wonderful something is and you should get in on it. It's time to get the rubber boots on and get out.
 
You do not know what you are talking about. I took the LSAT 25 years ago when the maximum score was 50. So you are ignorant and should apologize but you are not man enough to admit you do not know what you are talking about. Loyola Law School Los Angelus is ranked 63 out of all Law Schools. You have not even disclosed where you went to Law School but you called me out and I would suggest you do some research as to the actual LSAT scale as it existed in 1982. I can prove I went to Loyola, was on the deans list and graduated with a J.D. in 1982. You can not handle the truth as you called me out out it appears that I went to a much better Law School than you. I know this hurts you but you are not man enough to admit you do not know what you are talking about. I'm sorry you did not do well on the LSAT and could not get into a decent Law School but you asked and I answered.
 
Merriam-Webster dictionary defines archetype as the "original" the first one from whcih all subsequent are copied from the "original mold" based on the latin for the same. I do not call names and again you are wrong. At least I admit when I am wrong. I may be a fool but I am not the original. You cannot handle the truth. You sound like a bitter tiny man who wears his ego on his sleeve. Tiny, tiny tiny...
 
It's important what you believe and trust. I believe that Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, NO MAN cometh unto the Father (God) but by me". What is the Way? Find and read John 3:16
 
The best of us is only a sinner saved by grace. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Some shorter than others. Some get so close to God they forget which one is which. That's where the trou ble begins.
 
I think that people use it as a scape goat for what they really are deep down inside, and I honestly believe that there are a great deal of them that are only truly "Christians" on Sunday at church....Its hard to find people who are respectable and honest anymore....and there are a great deal of young people around who fit into this mold. Todays society is a me society, what can I get from whom and how and how big can I pump my chest, and my buddy next to me really isn't all that important...
 
Well I haven't said any thing to you till now. One should first know a persons back ground before calling the person names. On May 12th my dad will have been dead for a year. Well I know where he is right now. He was all his life a preacher. I know the book front to back and back to front and have read it cover to cover more then once. I have even been on both sides of the pulpit my self. I just didn't feel that I could be a person that could be in that position so I did not take it up but have been asked to do so more then once
 
check your post- you messed up the spelling when you condemned me for the use of "archetype"...and that's the BS that got you into this mess to begin with!

You need to hold yourself to the same standards that you attempted to hold "old" to. Enough- good day to you, sir.
 
Nope- I've been totally honest about my scores. I took the LSAT on a whim in 2001, 20 years after a graduated from college, and with no preparation. I scored a 147 and did not get accepted into UVa school of law which was the only one i applied to, again on a whim, because it was close to the farm. I will not deny that I would have liked to have tried it.

You MIGHT be a fine gentleman who apparently is about the same age as I am- but you condemned "old" as uneducated due to grammar errors that you have made profusely throughout your own posts ('there', 'Chrisbian', 'arcetype'). This makes you either a blowhard or a hypocrit. YURHON'R, I REST MY CASE. GOOD DAY TO YOU, SIR!
 
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Old, I couldnt agree more. I am not saying that there are not good christians out there...BUT, most generally, the ones whom go out of their way to tell you and let you know about it are usually real B@stards!! The people who do good, are good people and lead straight and narrow lives usually dont tell you at every turn. I dont claim to be a christian, but if someone worthy needs help, i am there. I cuss, drink a little and have fun, but I know there is a man upstairs, and we talk when needed. Like grandpa says of my uncles, his sons, "if that is what a christian is, i dont want to be one." Sad but true.....
 
(quoted from post at 16:47:04 05/10/08) You do not know what you are talking about. I took the LSAT 25 years ago when the maximum score was 50. So you are ignorant and should apologize but you are not man enough to admit you do not know what you are talking about. Loyola Law School Los Angelus is ranked 63 out of all Law Schools. You have not even disclosed where you went to Law School but you called me out and I would suggest you do some research as to the actual LSAT scale as it existed in 1982. I can prove I went to Loyola, was on the deans list and graduated with a J.D. in 1982. You can not handle the truth as you called me out out it appears that I went to a much better Law School than you. I know this hurts you but you are not man enough to admit you do not know what you are talking about. I'm sorry you did not do well on the LSAT and could not get into a decent Law School but you asked and I answered.
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