Sediment bowl replacement

[Woodworker]

Hi all, newbie here, just got 54 naa and replacing sediment bowl. Old one out but when putting new in screen came off in tank. Tried old screen and it just seems like it won’t feed into hole? Can it be used without? Have since cleaned and new bowl gasket in old one and it just doesn’t want to slip into hole with screen on. Thanks muc!

 

[Woodworker]

Hi all, newbie here, just got 54 naa and replacing sediment bowl. Old one out but when putting new in screen came off in tank. Tried old screen and it just seems like it won’t feed into hole? Can it be used without? Have since cleaned and new bowl gasket in old one and it just doesn’t want to slip into hole with screen on. Thanks muc!

Correction, the screen is in the hole but cannot now get new bowl screwed in? Tried using old one and can’t even get that in. Is the screen blocking hole? Doesn’t appear to be. Going to workout, I’m frustrated!

 

[Gambles]

FYI, is the new one from the land of almost right? Most new sediment bowls are junk and don’t fit properly.

 

[Woodworker]

FYI, is the new one from the land of almost right? Most new sediment bowls are junk and don’t fit properly.

Came with tractor new in box says on box for naa

 

[Blackhole49]

Yes, it can be used without the screen. Get the old screen out and see if it fits.

 

[olddavid]

Maybe the gasket is too thick. Sometimes the bale that holds the bowl on can be forced to go over it. Is the new bowl the same height as the old one and if the old bowl is not broken why put in a new one?

 

[Russ from MN]

Do I understand this right? You have a new screen rolling around in the bottom of the tank? You need to get that out of there and install it properly!

 

[olddavid]

Do I understand this right? You have a new screen rolling around in the bottom of the tank? You need to get that out of there and install it properly!

Yes, please clarify as I am now taking the "hole" to be the recess in the shut off valve that the bowl goes in to.

 

[Woodworker]

Thanks to all. New bowl is installed and working. The screen was stuck in mounting hole and wouldn’t allow the threads of new unit to catch the threads. It did inadvertently get pushed into tank. Tried getting it out but baffles in the way. Just left it in. If this doesn’t work down the road it’s going to be a new rubber line with filter and shut off. To each his own.

 

[olddavid]

Got it! Glad you got it going. If there is a pipe still going up into the tank I doubt that the filter will cause a problem.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

How did you get the old screen out if it won't go back in?

 

[Ray,IN]

This is what he's working with, I think. The round screen fits through the threaded gas tank hole, it screens out larger debris in dirty gas or gas can. Since this screen cannot be purchased, when one goes bad or gets damaged, most tractor owners throw it away and depend on the finer plastic screen above the sediment bowl.

 

[miner09]

I leave them off.

 

[Steven Allen]

They can be purchased! I have bought them for each of my tractors.

 

[olddavid]

his is what he's working with, I think. The round screen fits through the threaded gas tank hole, it screens out larger debris in dirty gas or gas can. Since this screen cannot be purchased, when one goes bad or gets damaged, most tractor owners throw it away and depend on the finer plastic screen above the sediment bowl.

Mybe I'm wrong but I kind of wonder about the benefit of the tube extending into the tank. Water and dirt will collect in the tank and never get out. That's what the sediment bowl was there for originally, right, to catch water and dirt. I get it, no problems for a long time but I think I would rather have the water and crud collecting in the sediment bowl and having to clean that out once in a while.

 

[Ray,IN]

Mybe I'm wrong but I kind of wonder about the benefit of the tube extending into the tank. Water and dirt will collect in the tank and never get out. That's what the sediment bowl was there for originally, right, to catch water and dirt. I get it, no problems for a long time but I think I would rather have the water and crud collecting in the sediment bowl and having to clean that out once in a while.

the screen does not block water from passing through, that's the main function of the sediment bowl.
The plastic screen above the sediment bowl is finer than the brass round screen; kinda like having a 10 micron filter feeding a 2 micron diesel fuel filter. Now I wonder if my MF 451 diesel tank has such a screen above the fuel outlet since it only has 1 filter and sediment bowl??
One must keep in mind, gasoline 50-60 years ago was not as clean as today, and farmers didn't have anything but steel gas cans that rust.

 

[olddavid]

the screen does not block water from passing through, that's the main function of the sediment bowl.
The plastic screen above the sediment bowl is finer than the brass round screen; kinda like having a 10 micron filter feeding a 2 micron diesel fuel filter. Now I wonder if my MF 451 diesel tank has such a screen above the fuel outlet since it only has 1 filter and sediment bowl??
One must keep in mind, gasoline 50-60 years ago was not as clean as today, and farmers didn't have anything but steel gas cans that rust.

I must have missed something but doesn't all the fuel go through the tube sticking up into the tank? I don't recall seeing another port for the fuel to go through on the ones I have looked at. I must be wrong or why would there be a mesh filter that doesn't even stick up above the tube?

 

[Ray,IN]

Mybe I'm wrong but I kind of wonder about the benefit of the tube extending into the tank. Water and dirt will collect in the tank and never get out. That's what the sediment bowl was there for originally, right, to catch water and dirt. I get it, no problems for a long time but I think I would rather have the water and crud collecting in the sediment bowl and having to clean that out once in a while.

Most of those brass screens do have a cap on them. I didnt' notice that stock phone shows the fuel tube above the screen, which only catches stuff that doesn't float. Now you see why most owners don't replace the screen; that, coupled with todays much cleaner fuel almost make the brass screen useless.
Fuel pumps today have a filter in the hose, which was not even thought of 50+ years ago, and plastic gas cans eliminated the rust problem. I also use a funnel with a fine screen in the outlet that even catches water.
I recall many years ago removing, cleaning and reinstalling the sediment bowl was a weekly chore, but this century I've never seen water or dirt in one.

 

[Non-farmer]

I must have missed something but doesn't all the fuel go through the tube sticking up into the tank? I don't recall seeing another port for the fuel to go through on the ones I have looked at. I must be wrong or why would there be a mesh filter that doesn't even stick up above the tube?

The sediment bowl has two pickups - the tube sticking up is the main pickup. Using this pickup, you will run out of gas with an inch of it left in the tank. To access that last inch, you have to use the reserve pickup, which has no tube. The screen filters the gas going through the reserve pickup, which is selected by only turning the knob of the valve two revolutions from closed. Turned all the way out, the pickup with the standpipe is used.

 

[Non-farmer]

The screen filters the gas going through the reserve pickup, which is selected by only turning the knob of the valve two revolutions from closed.

Correction: it was pointed out I had that backwards, and that reserve is turning the valve all the way out. Strangely, my memory is not improving with age, and I stopped using the Ford sediment bowl design several years ago. My bad.

Now I use one that's just either open or closed.