Strong 2 cylinders

[Anonymous-0]

How many strong 2 cylinders in VA?

 

[Anonymous-0]

All the 2 cyl tractors are strong.

 

[Silverking]

As compared to what????????????

 

[Anonymous-0]

Compared to Red junk...

 

[ND Farmall H puller]

I seem to beating some of those strong 2 cylinders with my Farmall junk I have 2 of them a H and a 400

 

[Anonymous-0]

I have two strong cylinders on my Westendorf WL40 loader, picked up a 6 bottom Oliver plow with it!

 

[Mpuller]

Wow, what an enlightening & witty comment.

 

[mylestogo]

My grandson say all my 2 cylinders are the most powerful he know and we hvae 6 of them and he is 5

 

[38Gpuller]

And they aren't stock either are they? I took down a souped up M with a 28 JD D and no it wasn't stock either but same weight class lol.

 

[Mpuller]

38G, need more info on this. What do you call souped up? 60, 100, 220hp? Can't ever remember seeing a D that was a good puller.

 

[The Bud Man]

We pull a 660 IH from 7200 up and the Deeres cant touch it The more weight on it the better it pulls A 660 Ih stock turns 2400 RPMs with a 282 Diesel... with 3 craced pistons the John Deeres still couldnt hold up...

 

[ND Farmall H puller]

They are as stock as most of those green ones are

 

[Anonymous-0]

Don duffners ''D'' that he runs at the W.M.S.T.R.[Western Minnesota Steam Thresthers Reunion] show in Rollag,MN.runs very well at 8mph 5500.Theres a few more R.P.M.then stock.Im shure its a stroker setup due to the notch for rod clearance on case.Should be on youtube.

 

[BIG JOHN IN GA.]

HEY,,, YA-LL TALK ABOUT DEERE'S BEING WEAK,, SAY THEY WON'T KEEP UP.. WHAT IF WE HAD THE SAME AMOUNT OF CYLINDERS AS THE FARMALL'S,, WOOP'S THE SHOE WOULD BE ON THE OTHER FOOT THEN,,,AH..
I PULL A 730,, KEEP IT GREEN...

 

[Mpuller]

Big John, Don't think you realize it but you just made the case for the red side. The 2 bangers were dependable & simple, but low on hp per cube. A 500 cube M or Ollie will yield much more hp than a much bigger 2 banger. I make a living farming with green, but Deere was about 20 years behind the curve with 4/6 cylinders & 30 years behind rotary combines. 1100 cube G, 140 hp tops, 1100 cube moline, 400+ hp? I farm green but pull red & gold, just giving credit where credits due.

 

[Gary from Va]

Mark Pennington up in Luray, Va has 2 that are very strong. Seen him take home more than one trophy before.

 

[630rich]

It aint stock then! It will never happen, but i'd put my stock 630 jd against it in 9500lbs any day of the week. stock for stock, 2 cyl. jds will run all over other brands here in pa. The ac tractors are tough though. by the way, we have red, green and orange tractors, so we are not bias toward other brands.

 

[BIG JOHN IN GA.]

I GUESS THAT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU TAKE IT,, YOU TALK ABOUT A -G- WITH 140 HORSE ON 2 CYLINDERS,, ADD 2 MORE, THAT'S 280 HORSE,, THAT WOULD BE HARD TOO HANDLE....

 

[Mpuller]

Big John, Deere did add more cylinders with the 10 series, but it was not on the obsolete 2 banger design. I don't follow the point your're trying to make. If they would have added 2 more , they would have had 4 like the M's, & if they would have added 4 more they would have had 6 like the 88's, & if a frog had wings.......

 

[ford961]

630rich, tell us about that mighty b again.

 

[RandyB(MI)]

you may be right BUT , a 50hp 2cyl JD will out pull a 50hp farmall,Oliver,Ford , MM etc,etc.everything else being equal. A 28 hp late "B" will outpull a Farmall "H" which I believe is rated the same. A JD A and a Farmall M have almost identicle roadgear ratios. Put them both in road gear with throttle at idle speed and see which one will take off without stalling. Point is 28 hp in one is not the same as 28 hp in another. Some 5hp electric motors are 18" long and14" in dia and others are 10" long and 6" in dia. It would take 4 of the small ones to do the work of one of the large ones. Farmers with hilly or rolling land used 2 cyl JD,s and farmers with flat land used the 4 and 6 cyl tractors. Take a 190 ci 2cyl B JD and a theoretical Farmolivoline with a 190 ci 6 cyl engine , same size carb , gearing ,tires,weight , rpm etc,etc which one would you want to spend the day in the field with disc or plow with? No-brainer. Point made.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Probably some of the dumber observations I have ever read here.JD A road gear a little over 12 mph,Farmall M,over 16 mph,almost the same?Equal hp tractors are about gearing,traction,weight balance and other issues.Ive owned both A'S an M's,on any given day one will outpull the other.Also,all day in the field I would rather listen to a smooth 4 or 6 cylinder,than a 2 cyl. banger,whether it's a Ollie 6,Farmall,or even a 4010.

 

[GoJDpuller]

"I have ever read here.JD A road gear a little over 12 mph,Farmall M,over 16 mph,almost the same?"

My stock A does 16-17 mph in road gear.

 

[buickddeere]

For a company 20 and 30 years "behind the times". I didn't see JD go bankrupt and be bought out.
Deere was just as quick as anybody else to offer power steering, live pto, live hydraulics, three point hitch, hydraulics etc. Not obsolete at all.
I don't see any JD's for sale with the TA "out".

 

[Mpuller]

buickanddeere, deere was behind the curve with engine design & rotaries, ahead in many areas such as highboys & planters. They overtook IH in sales with the 10 series, despite the obsolete 2 bangers, & have only gotten stronger since. Still like all the old iron makes, just not gonna give'm false praise. Just bought new green 6230 over Kubota, CNH, & Caseih because of better features, such as closed-center hydraulics & triple wet clutch. But when it comes to pullin' I'll play with red & gold.

 

[630rich]

well, you never showed up to that show in mercersburg. I was all ready for a whoopin by that bad ford, but no show. its a 48 b, .045 over. breakin ford, farmall, and ac fans hearts for years!lol

 

[630rich]

if it was a 2 stick A with the high-low trans, it is faster than the standard 6 speed.

 

[ford961]

630, yea those 961's, M's, 88's, U's & WD45's can't hang with something like that.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Gary I think you mean Mark Benhoff from luray he and his wife both pull. They have a unstyled a and a styled a. They do there share of winning in the Shenandoah Valley and the Central Virginia Antique Club they won championships the last couple years.

 

[630rich]

Not going to get in a pissing match with you again. lets just let it go at that "mr. know it all."

 

[RandyB(MI)]

That's because they didn't NEED a t/a!

 

[RandyB(MI)]

Think Trkr must be thinking about a B.I didn't see any disput about the road gear start test though? HP plays a small part in a stock tractor's abilities. Torque and wide torque band does.

 

[BushogPapa]

Here in central Ohio, we have as hard-pulling soil as anywhere..Yellow Wax (Jack Wax) and Black Wax..

At the "Plow Days" show, I just offer to let any "Built" M hook up to my 4x16" F-145 and let them have fun...!!

I pull it in 2nd and 3rd with my absolutely Stock JD 630, and I mean 8" deep...
If they are "Pullers",They do have more "Horse Power", but can't use it..just spin out and bury themselves..!!
Ron..

 

[ford961]

630, would love to see a video of that 45 over mighty b of yours. Sounds really bad, but talk is cheap.

 

[JLG]

That 630 did very good in the 9500 class at Two-Top. I assume yours is the tractor I'm thinking of. My brother pulls a 730 in that class. I'd would rather he won but I do like watching the JD's creep through the holes where everyone else has been stopping, and into first place. No matter who it is, haha.

 

[630rich]

Your probably right. firestone radials, narrow front. thats me. thank you. I just love to pull, and have fun. some of these guys get outta hand on here.lol

 

[630rich]

we plow and disc with our tractors, and we pulled 4X16s with my 630 in 3rd and it really does a good job. as long as I have some weight on it.

 

[Little Big B]

(quoted from post at 01:41:21 02/14/09) Big John, Don't think you realize it but you just made the case for the red side. The 2 bangers were dependable & simple, but low on hp per cube. A 500 cube M or Ollie will yield much more hp than a much bigger 2 banger. I make a living farming with green, but Deere was about 20 years behind the curve with 4/6 cylinders & 30 years behind rotary combines. 1100 cube G, 140 hp tops, 1100 cube moline, 400+ hp? I farm green but pull red & gold, just giving credit where credits due.

140 tops? im gonna have to raise the BS flag on this one. from where im from an 1100 cube G will peg a 150hp dyno with out even working down....

 

[Mpuller]

Little Big B, from 140 to 150 is about a 7% increase, same neighborhood. If it pegs @ 150 "without even working down" then how much when it works down? Thanks.

 

[Anonymous-0]

You also have to consider JD first gear is lower than Farmalls. and horse per pound the farmalls have them beat there too. i pull a stock cockshutt 35 and i run second gear i run out of power but i go farther than it will in first i pull against a SuM and he runs first. I usually don't beat him but i come close most of the time. does that mean i have more power, heck no he has at least 10 more horse i just have lower gears and better grip.

 

[Mr. Bob]

Take a JD 630, a Massey Ferguson 65, and a Ford 860/861. Hook a wagonload of say 120 square bales behind each and start up a grade in high gear. The MF 65 is a bit faster, but none the less see which one has to shift down first. I've operated all 3 and my experience tells me the JD will need to be shifted before either the Ford of Massey. An AC D17 will kick all 3of their butts in a test like this, but it does have a few more "horses".

 

[The Dukester]

Funny I guess but our '51 John Deere G that's bored .090 over and about .075 in. milled off the standard cyclone head and belt dyno's about 54-55 hp running at max. no load idle speed of 1150 compares pretty well with our '47 UTU Minnie that's got it's KEF engine bored to 4.375 in. and the head just cleaned up and PTO dyno's just a smidge over 52 hp at 1300 wide open. The G's got nearly new Titans long bar-long bar 14.9's on stock rims, the Minnie's got old hard 50% Co-Op 15.5's on 15 inch custom widened stock type rims. Both tractors start perfect and run fine on regular pump gas, they're timed to where they "pinged" then backed off just a hair. Pulling in 6500 lb. class with 250 lbs. of wheel weights on the G and 500 lbs. on the UTU. Sometimes the green one wins, sometimes the pararie gold one wins, depends on the track a lot, usually the G spins out easier than the Minnie, it won't lift it's front end quite as easily as the UTU does unless the track's just right for the newer tires like looser, more sandy tracks can be. On a tight clay track the UTU gets a better bite. We do play with the tire pressures quite a lot. Both tractors usually place in the top 4 in class and one or the other wins about half the time

 

[Mpuller]

The Dukester, you have 2 very good pullers. My youngest grandson pulls a UTS with 16.9/38'S in 6500/7000. We have overbore on 336 cube jugs & he pulls very respectfully. So much can be done with praire gold with off-the-shelf parts. A lot of stuff will bolt to the 283 crankcase. Good luck with your pulling.

 

[Too Far Gone]

I dont totally agree.Im not a puller regularly,but I attended the local pull with my 400 Farmall that I use daily which received new rings and bearings,along with a valve grind 5 years back,and not only did I beat my Brother in laws 720 diesel,I received 2nd place in 7500lb class.Only one that beat me was a hyped up Oliver that spends most of its time in the local machine shop,and he only out did my tractor by 18 inches