Super mta

[cazzhrdwd]

Is there a way to tell a super m from a super mta.What I mean is, could someone ad a TA to a super m and it look just like a super mta. I want to make sure this tractor is the real deal.

Thanks

 

[CNKS]

They could, but it would have to be from the engine back. The TA housing adds length and contains provision for the independent PTO. You can't just bolt a TA to a SM without all sorts of modification. You can usually tell by casting codes, also. The SMTA was built only in 1954, that is a Z code. Although the 400 can also have Z codes, anything later (A-up) can be considered a red flag.

 

[cazzhrdwd]

Thanks CNKS

Cazz

 

[Anonymous-0]

to guarantee you have an original TA you need to know your serial #s. dont know when the super Ms started , but the SUPER W6 started AFTER #10000 and there was only 3005 built in later 1954.considerably more farmalls were built than mccormicks.

 

[JMOR]

The serial # is stamped on a flat spot on the engine block, below the spark plug hole. Look for casting codes, 10-25-M would mean October 25th, 1943. The letter is the year. Does it have disc or band brakes? Battery under the tank or under the seat?

1939 - I
1940 - J
1941 - K
1942 - L
1943 - M
1944 - N
1945 - O
1946 - P
1947 - Q
1948 - R
1949 - S
1950 - T
1951 - W
1952 - X
1953 - Y
1954 - Z

 

[mkirsch]

Does it have a Super M engine? Does it have a TA?

If yes to both, then it is a Super MTA. Tractors have been known to break major castings in the field either due to abuse or accident. These often get repaired with castings that can be newer or older, or even off a different tractor entirely. There's no such thing as a "numbers matching" tractor like there is with a car.

 

[mkirsch]

Does it have a Super M engine? Does it have a TA?

If yes to both, then it is a Super MTA. Tractors have been known to break major castings in the field either due to abuse or accident. These often get repaired with castings that can be newer or older, or even off a different tractor entirely. There's no such thing as a "numbers matching" tractor like there is with a car.

 

[D Slater]

Serial # tag should fall from 60001 to 83523, unless its a diesel it should have a C 264 engine. Depending on the tractor serial # the original engine serial # should be between 113387 to 136833. Rare to find a original one with date codes later than september of 54. Some have some 53 castings on them. Never saw one with a casting earlier than july of 53. There could be though. make sure the hood is longer than a SM or M and that it has braces and the heat shield on manifold side underneath. Could be or may not be a tip off that its modified.

 

[JMOR]

(quoted from post at 15:53:26 06/29/09) Serial # tag should fall from 60001 to 83523, unless its a diesel it should have a C 264 engine. Depending on the tractor serial # the original engine serial # should be between 113387 to 136833. Rare to find a original one with date codes later than september of 54. Some have some 53 castings on them. Never saw one with a casting earlier than july of 53. There could be though. make sure the hood is longer than a SM or M and that it has braces and the heat shield on manifold side underneath. Could be or may not be a tip off that its modified.

Braces? Please elaborate.

 

[Andy Motteberg]

Super MTA's were only built in 1954.

 

[Wardner]

D Slater piqued my interest so I looked over my earliest SMTA (serial # 60177-S). It was assembled on the first or second day of production.

Hydraulic reservoir 2-29-Y
Left axle 5-8-Y
Right axle 7-20-Y
Tank mount 8-5-Y
Belt pulley gearbox 12-3-Y
Rear frame 1-2-Z
Engine block 1-7-Z
Center section 1-8-Z
Rear frame cover 1-15-Z

I am sure there are a few more but that is all I could read. All the SMTA specific parts were cast in 1954.

 

[D Slater]

Gas hoods had a brace on each side from the top to sides on the underside. MD and SMD used hoods the same length as SMTA but had no braces like that. Some times the hoods are used on SMTA gas by filling the exhaust hole on right side and making a hole on right. Sometimes the lower edges are left alone and that makes them easy to spot. Still the tractor could be a original that just needed a hood, but sometimes not. Back before SMTAD became collecter tractors some were switched to gas engines when the diesel went out and diesel hood was retained also. Noticed you didn't list letter date code U along with W used on some 51 models.

 

[D Slater]

Thanks for the post, interesting on the hydraulic tank. They didn't start regular production of SM with the hydraulic units until march of 53. Lots of SM have a later date code. Be interesting to know the story on it.

 

[Wardner]

And it is also interesting that the reservoir has a R2 suffix.

 

[Anonymous-0]

ya, i know super SMTAswere built in 1954, but what i was getting at is the serial # they started the TAs with in 1954.that would have been towards the end of production . there is a section of # that would apply to the TA tractors.if someone read you his # you automatically know its a TA. now you know what i am talking about andy.for example: mine is 11558 that tells me its got a TA, unless it was TA delete. and another piece of info: all the super w6 and SW6TA hoods are the same length which is 1 3/8 in. shorter than the standard w6.i have heard alot of people say the TA has a longer hood but thats definitly not the case.

 

[D Slater]

Come to think of it, I had one of those with a date code and R2 like that. Since I had some with R1 and a later date code I thought maybe the number 1 was left off in front of the 2 on the month when it was cast. Can't say.

 

[D Slater]

Not around to many SW6TA tractors, but most of the 6 series must have put the radiator the same distance from the engine. The fan shroulds are the only other ones the same as a SMTA. Picked up a few from salvage tractors to use on SMTA. Not sure but think there was some change in the super 6 hoods compared to before and after channel frames started.
On a SMTA non diesel the hood is longer because the front bolster moved the radiator forward, not because of the T/A housing.