Unknown Antique!!! What is it!

[Anonymous-0]

If someone could check out the link below and check out the picture under the heading 'What Is It' and let us know it would be greatly appreciated! No one seems to know for sure but it was pulled by an animal at one time! Thanks for your help! ~Dawn

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[Larry59]

Heck if I know... kind of looks like some kind of a motor saw. Thats a real big saw blade on back it looks like. Maybe pulled to the work area by a team of horses on front.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Quite a large blade indeed! Thanks for your help!

 

[John S-B]

It's a Hit-n-miss (one cylinder) engine set up to run the buzz saw. Don't know if it was originally set up on the cart or if that was done by the original owner. Does the flywheel turn? That would make a big difference between scrap prices and a couple of hundred. Also location may make a difference.

 

[IaGary]

It is a buzz saw powered by a old one cylinder engine on a four wheel truck.


It was used to cut fire wood to burnable lenghts before the age of chain saws.

Gary

 

[DickL]

It looks like a table on the other side. It hat was the cas it would just be an old buz saw for cutting limbe up for cord wood.

If the saw blade drops down to the ground or below it would be an ice saw used to cut ice into blocks to use in ice boxes.

My guess would be the buz saw.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Hit and miss engine running a buss saw

 

[Anonymous-0]

Thank you Gary! Have a great night!
~Dawn

 

[Anonymous-0]

All you guys are great!! Thank you for the help!

Dawn

 

[Janicholson]

It is a single cylinder stationary gasoline engine mounted on a horse/animal pulled frame. The setup is for cutting cord wood. Long limbs and trunks were brought to the unit in lengths that the people could manage. There is a sliding table on the fer side of the blade that allows a little security in positioning the work, and sliding it into the saw. They are not for the casual careless, or hurried operator. They did cut wood before chainsaws took over the process. Later versions were fitted to farm tractors and also operated with a flat belt. They had the generic name buzz saw. They were very loud. Though dangerous, they were probably no more dangerous than today's chainsaw in that foolish individuals continue to buy them and operate them with little caution. The owner of this device probably had a lot of caution. JimN

 

[Rusty wheel]

It's a single cylinder engine commonly called a hit and miss engine. Looks to be at least 5 horsepower. It's mounted on wheels for easy transport. Apparantly it was used to power this saw. These engines were used quite a bit on farms to power a lot of different equipment where electricity wasn't available such as pump jacks via s belt. Restored, this could be worth quite a bit. It would be a good idea to try and find a serial number and a manufacturers name and do some research.....Good luck.......RW

 

[Wayne in MN]

It appears to be an Economy brand engine sold by Sears in the 20's.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Wayne is right on this one. The Sears brand was named the Economy engine and was painted bright red enamel while the Hercules engines were painted green. Both engines were made in the same factory in Evansville, Indiana. Look for evidence of either green or red paint to identify the different brands.

The engines were governed by speed which held the exhaust valve open once the specific speed was achieved. Under load of the saw blade the engine would fire continuously and then once the load was removed it would start to run in a "Hit & Miss" manner.

Prices on these would be very high for a complete engine and truck with the saw attachment. Hit and miss engines in that H.P. range alone can run into $1000's of dollars to the right collector.

Try going to an antique engine site and ask for pricing there.

Back in the day the saw attachment sold for $24 and the blade was another $6.

The engine 'truck' rails for the Hercules and Economy products were distinct in that they had a dropped senter rail rather than the straight rails used by other manufacturers. The underslung trucks dropped the center of gravity and put the engine into a more servicable position to operate. The trucks were for the 5, 7, 9 and 12 horsepower engines.

This engine looks to be missing the Webster Tri-Polar oscillating magneto that was standard equipment on the 9 and 12 horsepower units but an option on the 1-1/2, 2-1/2, 5 & 7 horsepower models.

It is probably a 1916 model and the prices for those back in the day were: $32.95 = 1-1/2 H.P., $46.75 = 2-1/2 H.P., $78.45 = 5 H.P., $106.50 = 7 H.P., $141.00 = 9 H.P., $196.50 = 12 H.P.

The engines used a Lunkenheimer carburetor with two separate needle valves, one for gasoline starting and the other for kerosene running.
Antique engine

 

[Anonymous-0]

It is an Economy Model E engine and cart with the cordwood sawing attatchment, I would guess a 7hp. Appears to be complete except for the mag and bracket. I would guess it is about a $2500 package as it sits.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Hey Vern, I hate to have to be the correct policeman, but here goes! Hercules/Economy used drop frame trucks on the full-base models only, and a straight frame rail on the half-base models. I don't know of any Hercules E's that use a Lunkenhiemer carb, the gas- burning model E uses the cast iron "gooseneck" carb plainly visible in her photo, and the Kerosene-burning model EK used Hercules own dual fuel carb, as the Kero burners were throttle governed, not hit and miss.

 

[Anonymous-0]

And PS, the Hercules water hopper has rounded corners and the oiler sits behind the hopper, the Economy has a slightly larger square-cornered hopper and the oiler tube comes up through the hopper.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Hey, sorry guys, my brain-clutch is slipping. The Hercules oiler comes up through the hopper opening, and the Economy oiler sits behind the hopper.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Thanks for the correction. I only have Satley Racines but thought the Lunkenheimer was used on the Hercules. Sorry for the wrong info.

 

[Walt Davies]

Here is the picture for future use.
Walt
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[Anonymous-0]

I used to collect these and had alot of fun with them.Saw one the other day was 125 hp and weighed 17 tons!Ignition was by hot bulb.Was also a single cyl. Later Hoss