Welding cranks

Anonymous-0

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Has anyone ever welded up a crank? I have someone who has welded for years who is willing to try. We just need some advice on a few questions. It only needs built up .325 or so on 4 1 1/2 wide journals. Any help would be appreciated or just tell me im crazy.
 
it can be done by free hand golden arm welders but it will still have to be turned in a crank machine to get it back true from the wrappage caused by welding so its my opinion it would be better to do it in a crank machine that is capable of doing it all.
 
send it out...let the crank grinder weld it up so he knows what filler material was used and can do a proper heat treat/stres relief job on the journals afterward. also most cranks are welded on a submerged arc welder...not something everyone has in there garage..and ids the crank steel or cast Iron???
 
we have done this with a hard stainless rod..built up 1", but welded all the way around so that it didn't warp real bad...if ya have a press..you can press the crank back strait..need rollor blocks and a dial indicator to see how true it is. this crank held for quite a while..until the cotter pin came out of the carb and it wound out. make sure you preheat it to about 600deg. before you weld though....as for some of the other comments..we had a crank done at a VERY reputable crank shop..and theyhave a crank machine that has a automatic mig type welding process...the guy said gas cranks are around 30K psi weld, and the diesels were 60K psi welds...so good luck no matter what you try.
 
Thanks for the input. I have a machine shop who will turn one and get the warpage out of it if i was to weld it myself.
 
I got a crank welder in the garage!!! Listen, if you attempt this, you need to have the crank preground for the actual offset, and actually grind a bit more wider and deeper than what you actually need, so your welds get good penetration to te surface, and gives the grinder more room to build up and finish the journal properly. I was messing around with the welder after repairing the wire feed, and its nothing more than a real big MIG welder. I think once I get the grinder up n going, will see some good results. I just did a build up weld to get the wire feed working better,,,, but had to go in a grind the original journal down thru the surface to get a good bead adhesed to the crank. I did have to preheat the crank with a torch, and once I got it warmed up,,,, it welded real well, and the heat from the welder after a pass, I found that it kept the heat range pretty well if I gave it chance to cool for a few moments before the next round of weld. I was told the same thing by a shop if I wanted to weld em he would grind em, but shoot, the way I wanted to do it, the crank would go back n forth to the grinder probably 3 or times to perfect it. Best to have the welder and the grinder in one place so no run a round. Hope this helps,,, the next picture will be of the welder itself. Chad
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chad the submerged crank welder is definitely the way to go . it also takes two different wires to do a crank or after she runs shell show stress cracks in every journal . to hard of wire in the radius usually . oh yaeh the guy wanting to use the golden arm should weld the main journals also .the warpage may be show great it takes more than .030 to turn it back straight and if it does then bearings size becomes a promblem for some engines.
 
we welded supports across crank before welding journel and cut them of after keeps worpage way down then haet treat crank to relax it then grind it.
 
When we bought the kit from Gleason, The wire type I had alot of questions about,, 2 types, gas cranks and diesil cranks. Different hardness ratings. I know I can cut a crank down to where there is no hard surface left and bare cast iron or what ever the crank is made of is exposed. Found that out,, when I just cleaned up the stock journal, heated it up and tried to weld,,, well it puddled up, and did not penetrate the surface of the journal. So, I took my hand grinder, and really cut into it,, no easy job, it took me almost an hour just to get it to where it even looked like I scratched it!!! But got it cut down,,, reheated it, and welded,,, it did a great job this go around, (this comming from someone who has never ran it, but does know how to weld) LOL! So, I built up Id say 5/8". Then seen some pits and quit,, they wasnt real deep, but I know Id have to grind em out and reweld that area,,,, thats where it really stopped me in my tracks,,,,,

I could not scratch that new weld with a hand grinder. If I laid the grinder on edge it would cut it, but it was HARD!!!

Called back to make sure I got the right wire,,,

He said, the wire I got is good for both gas and diesil journals. So, Im assuming Im using the high tensile materials, or I misunderstood when I ordered,,, But he said it will work for both, was my last impression.

My plan to build a crank, Im gonna do a pregrind,, if I stroke it a half inch for a full inch stroker, Im thinking of cutting the back side the .500, maybe a bit more for weld pentration. Set it up in the crank welder. Once setup, the journal rotates at 0, the crank is offset in the jaws of the welder that will allow the journal to rotate in a perfect circle and weld all the way around it. I figure, if I can cut a little deeper than usual on the back side,, I can build up that welded surface, and that area will have more of a built up surface in that area. Im sure they do that anyways,, but it makes the welds all one piece, then go back in and rough grind it to shape. Weld it up where it need to be repaired, for lets say a pit, etc etc,,, and then grind it to spec if the job was done well enough. I think overheating will do more damage for warpage than underheating. Im no expert. When I welded up the crank in the picture, I did not heat the whole crank, just the area of the journal. The chuck of the welder, simular to a heavy lathe is prety sturdy, and can tell you if the crank bows,, you can see it if it moves in the jaws of the chucks,, I never seen it move, and I welded, and let it cool while it was in the chucks, I dont know if that can help hold the crank straighter or not,, but thought it couldnt hurt,,,,

Have heard "they grind em straight",,, grinding all journals all at once makes em straight. I dont know if thats true or not, but I do feel that welding up a crank is not a bad job at all once a proceedure is established. Maybe some of the grinders on here might wanna share some secrets?

Aint seen no cracking on those welds yet,,, I dont think the crank cooled too much during welds to allow that to happen. Id say if it cracked as soon as it was welded and cooled, it wasnt kept straight and it flexed, too thin of buildup surface? Id like to see a picture of the spiderwebbing,,, some of the literature I got tells why this happens during the rebuild stage,, ChadS
 
it want show cracks untill its been ran if it has had the radius welded with to hard of wire . thats not per me but my crank grinder who has 25 years of experience told me . i dont like seeing perosity in anything i am gonna run thats why sometimes i have them done a little big then turn them down once they get back to me just to see if they covered perosity up or if its a good weld at least .010 deep . having a good friend that trusts me with a key to work in his machine shop some on weekends on my stuff is valuable also. sometimes i have to buy stones for him .
 
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