Well? I read somewhere that IH's logic, at first anyway, for the Gas start diesels was an engine that could be crank started. Well, I've hand crank started C's and M's and an F20 no problem, but my 450D I can only barely roll over. Which leads me to think how hard it must have been on the older ones like a WD40, etc, that were only hand crank. Is it common for the diesel tractor to be harder to hand crank, am I just a wimp, or were the old farmers downright huge? Farmers (me included) are the strongest people on average that I personally know, so were the old farmers Really, Really strong? Or was some of the old equipment easier to start than I think? Or is it a diesel thing? -Andy