What would you do

[grandpa Love]

Got a rear tire on an 8n that kept leaking down. I patched it twice and gave up. Took it to a tire shop that I usually trust. They called and said can't patch the tube because it's leaking around a patch ,but we happen to have a tube.......so I told em to put it in. I had already paid for the break down and patch. They said come in first of week and pay for tube. Well they " fixed " it Saturday and I went by after they closed and picked it up. Old tube was laying there. Tire was flat on the tractor Sunday morning. Yesterday I called and talked to a employee over there he said it was my rim.... Saturday they said it looked fine. Do I just put a gallon of berryman tube seal in it and forget it or carry it back??

 

[Adirondack case guy]

I would sell the Ford off, and buy a nice Case 430. I know a fellow YT'r in VA that has one for sale.----Loren

 

[grandpa Love]

Very funny. Not helpful,but made me laugh!!!

 

[SVcummins]

Make em fix it . If the rim has been exposed to liquid death you?ll probably have to remove the tire and the wheel and sand and paint the rim so it won?t puncture the tube. I fought that on the 4020 pulled tires apart at least four or five times to sand and paint one never would quit puncturing the tube I finally replaced it the other one I was able to salvage

 

[grandpa Love]

I've done 5 front rims and 2 rears. Sand prime paint. They said this one was ok.. on Saturday.

 

[Traditional Farmer]

Do you want to keep dealing at that tire shop?I'd expect them to fix it right and if you put some gunk in the tube they won't be able to patch it.After they dismount the tire clean it up and paint it if they won't.

 

[mite-help]

if that rim has rust scale poking holes in tube, probably berryman won't seal either. I would clean rim up real good-[short of sand-blast, heat [torch] will pop that rust off, than wire brush, coat with spray-on bedliner] put powder on tube @ assembly

 

[grandpa Love]

They told me yesterday they could clean it and paint it for a fee. If they said on Saturday it needed that I would have picked it up and done it myself then had them use new tube. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[danofarming]

LOL!!!

 

[old]

When I clean up a rim I use truck bed liner spray on them and it lasts longer then any paint I have ever tried plus it is a thicker coating so takes rust a lot longer to come back

 

[Courtland1949]

Check the tire itself for a thorn or other sharp objects. Use your hand to feel around inside the tire. Happened to me 3x..

 

[SVcummins]

Sometimes it doesn?t take much especially with these new tubes a Trojan rubber is made as thick as a modern tube . And make sure they have checked it good for anything in the tire sometimes the new kid isn?t as through as he maybe should be . If possible I always try to leave a tire at the garage a day or two after they fix it so if goes flat sitting there it?s on them my guy will usually fix it free if it goes flat within the first week or two anyway as long as something else didn?t puncture the tire again

 

[ss55]

IMHO, if you had paid them to fix the rim I would have expected them to stand behind their work. Since you only paid them to fix the tube and didn't pay them to fix the rim they should not be responsible for the damage the rim did to the tube. It sounds like they tried to do you a favor by replacing the tube without fixing the rim to save you some money, but that didn't work. Ask if the new tube can be patched, then decide if you want to fix the rim yourself or pay them to do it and gaurantee it.

It's probably good that the new tube failed right away rather than a week or two from now in a much worse location. How old is the rim on the 8N, between 67 and 71 years old?

 

[Duane WI]

Here is my outside view of this and similar topics. When you take old stuff to a shop and you want it repaired at low cost you sort of get what you pay for. So this shop was okay doing what you wanted and probably should have stopped. I also hear complaints all the time on this web sight about shops wanting to do more than you want them to and charging you more. They do this because they don't want the pain of doing something less than perfect and having it returned and someone demanding they fix it for free. So go ahead and force them to fix it for free. Don't be surprised the next time you want them to repair a tire they say "no we won't just patch it up cheap we need to do this the expensive way so we can guarantee our work". You wonder why shops don't want to do stuff the cheap way when they get held accountable for results. So in this case the expensive way is the shop says you need a new rim period. No more we will work with your old rim no matter how well you clean it up.

 

[sixbales]

I just pulled tires off my gator that were full of thorns and green slime, so I agree with courtland1949's recommendation. The thorns (and slime) came from the farm where I bought it from several years ago. Be careful probing for thorns with your hands, you may get more than you bargained for.

Another possibility is a pinched tube while reassembling it. I wouldn't expect a professional tire shop to pinch a tube, but I have done it several times over the years.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

How can they tell what caused the tire to go flat if they haven't broken it down and actually looked?

Most likely, they pinched the tube while installing it. I would make them break it down in front of you on the condition that if the tube is pinched, THEY put in a new tube, and if the rim cut the tube, YOU will pay for the patching and/or new tube.

 

[NC Wayne]

I don't want to sound like a smart butt here, as I doubt what I'm saying applies to anyone on this board, but as a mechanic who Has dealt with all kinds when it comes to repairs, I'll say this.

Looking from the tire shops perspective, had they taken the time to clean and paint the rim, etc, rather than just hit the high spots, and install a new tube, the average Joe would have raised Cain about the cost of the job. This is the way the typical customer now days acts. They want quick, and cheap, period, and to heck with it being done right. They don't understand that the extra spent getting it done right the first time beats what it'll take to do it twice..... because more often than not by the second time they have forgotten about the first time.

I see this all the time, and it bugs the crap out of me when I see it happening, especially when it's one of my customers demanding it. Thing is I realized long ago that, 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'. So, I say my piece and let it drop. Like I said, having someone tell me not to do something 'right', etc etc because they don't want the extra expense or whatever, still bugs me. Even so, I'm not going to beg them to save their money, so I've had to consciously get the mindset that the fact they won't listen simply means they get to pay me twice...

Like I said, I'm not directing my comments at anyone on here, but simply giving the point of view that the typical repair shop ultimately has to take, as it applies to doing the tire as they did rather than doing it 'right' and charging the extra fee for the time it would have taken to do it....and then listening to the customer complain about how much a 'simple tire repair' cost them.

 

[Mike M]

What's that famous line. "what we have here is a failure to communicate" Been in that position many times myself.
Other than the hard work I sure like doing tires myself. I can take the time and clean it all up good. I've seen too many tire shop not even clean the junk from inside a tire let alone run a rag around in there looking for thorns.

 

[Traditional Farmer]

They told him when he originally had it fixed that the rim was OK and now telling him the rim needs work after it went flat.If it needed work the shop should have told him
that to start with and then he could have had a chance to say yea or nay on them getting the rim in shape.He took their word for it that it was OK.

 

[muleboss]

No where did he say the rim was bad. Everyone jumped that direction, starting telling how it was his fault because of rim. Maybe they pinched it.
Have them take it apart and see what the real problem is.

 

[JOCCO]

I would be talking to the owner/manager and sorting it out from there. The bottom line is it needs to be fixed correctly. Do you need a new rim? do they need to take it apart and you clean the rim? If they pinched the tube I would say employee fault. Try to be polite.

 

[NC Wayne]

I understand what you are saying, but OK to one person might not be OK to another. Too, I've seen rusty rims that had tires on them that held air, and seen them that looked OK that wouldn't hold air.

In this case he says there was a tube, so the condition of the rim being rusty or not didn't mean much beyond was the rust flakey enough to cut the tube. If there was nothing but surface rust, the average Joe isn't going to want to spend the time, or money to clean it up and paint it. Seriously, a tube that can't handle a little surface rust isn't going to last long to begin with, as the inside of many tires is rougher than the rust would be.

Again, as someone who sees both sides of the in my own repair business (the reason I don't take me stuff to others to work on), I was just explaining the probable mindset of the tireshop in saying it was OK and doing things as they did, rather than taking the extra steps.

Not to mention, if they had to stop every job they had going to call the customer, and hope they got them right away....start another when they didn't....then go back to the original job once the customer called back....and so on.....I instead of making a judgement call based on how 99% of their customers would tell them to do things anyways, they would never get anything done.

In this case someone apparently made a bad call, and the customer wasn't really happy. Had they done things the other way, experience says they could have had the same result.....

Ultimately you're Danged if you do, and Danged if you don't....Ah the joys of owning a business....LOL....

 

[Stephen Newell]

You mean there was something on the rim that punctured a new tube and they didn't find it. They should have inspected the rim better.

 

[Fritz Maurer]

I absolutely cannot fathom assembling a 20.5/25 on a rusty rim. When the O-ring adheres to the outer bead, you are in for a fight. When they billed me $600 to install my spare, my rims got cleaned and painted every time thereafter.