why john deere's??????

[Rollo Fairfield]

why is john deeres so over priced and way overrated. i know they are good tractors, especially after 1990, they don't do anything better or anymore than any other tractor. does anyone know what the top selling tractor world wide is? massey ferguson, perkins motor !!! know what the most powerfull tractor in the field is? (should say was) IH!!! hardest to shift transmission. this is all pre 1990 equipment studies

 

[Devon Hubbard]

John Deere puts out a good product and people will pay for quality. Simple supply and demand governs the price. If the quality suffers, the demand will drop off, supply goes up and the cost (value) drops like a rock.

 

[usetob]

most powerfull in the field
how about big bud and MRS

 

[pgl4vt]

Go back to school. Get an education. Then come back and try again. Maybe you'll learn something about English, grammar, punctuation and something about John Deere along the way. Then we might be able to take your post seriously. LOL!

 

[Jake Winn]

In a lot of counts, Deere is more expensive than other brands. This is usally due to a better product. Now im not saying that everything they do is perfect, because its not. No one's is. Some brands work better in different situations. For the most part, Deere products are built with better material, offer better product support, and have higher resale value. Deere also has some of the leading research and development departments in the industry. They have always been at or near the top with fuel systems, engines, hydraulics, and power trains.

Ive worked for a Deere dealer and Kubota. When it came to the material that comparable sized machines were made off, Deere had them beat hands down. The steel and cast in a Kubota was nothing like a Deere. There must be a reason why other major companies (ie Caterpillar, GM) had Deere produce castings for them. Also the service after the sale is much better with Deere. Parts stock within the country, many distribution centers, technical support are all superior when it comes to Deere.

As I said before, Deere has had problems. The early 4000 series compacts were a joke, the early E-hydros were a nightmare. The early 6000 series tractors had a good share of problems as well. But every company has those issues. It just depends on how the customer is taken care of after the purchase. A lot of this left to the dealer as well. I know things happen, and people have bad experiences, but that happens everywhere as well.

When it comes down to it, Deere has been a very strong company for well over a hundred years and has managed to be right near the top. The must be doing something right.

 

[4020_1966]

I do know that from the tractor pulls I go to in my area the 21,000 lb farm stock is dominated by JD. There is a 4755 that I have seen win many times, Only competition that put up a decent fight this year was a New Holland, the JD won the pull off as they both had full pulls, the NH made it 2/3 way down the final pull and the JD full pulled again. I don't think the 4755 is turned up at all as it doesn't dump black smoke like " a lot" of the "stock" tractors I see pulling. It kills me when a "stock" tractor belches black and has fire burning out the straight pipe. I guess my idea of stock must be a bit different than some others....

 

[thurlow]

Kinda reminds me of the question, "Why do divorces cost so much?" I'm sure you know the answer...............

 

[Michael Price]

JD made some good machines and some junk machines. For the most part Id say most of the machines were pretty good, thats why they got the good name. In the past they always seemed to have been built with better quality then the others so cost was a little higher. Last I knew new holands cost more then JDS.

 

[johns48jdb]

I think a lot of the problems associated with any product not meeting the expectations of the buyer is that the buer either doesn't understand the problem or is just looking for a fight. You can pick up something like cultivator feet from ih and jd and the jd will out weight the ih by enough that you can tell it easily. How tractors and any thing else is driven when the owner isn't around contributes to a bad name for the product. Also a lack of service at the times and milage indicated are a big problem. We had a man in our community that bought a new jd mower. Every one of his 4 boys used it for 6 weeks and the engine blew up in it. The man carried it back and was mad until the dealer showed him that nobody had taken the time to check the oil in it or change it.

 

[rustyfarmall]

You can put every known brand of tractor, new or old, into a bag, shake 'em up and dump 'em out, and when the dust finally settles, the tractors still intact and standing will be the brands with the best dealer networks and support. John Deere has done a very good job of this but they are not alone, and this is what makes for some very interesting competition.

 

[Ferd]

The cost of anything is governed by what someone is willing to pay. I'm not sure what you mean by "overrated", but would guess you think there is a consensus that they are better than you think they are - everyone has a right to their opinion.

 

[Larry B 1486]

I have never posted on this board but just thought I would put my .02 in it. It's always been a war between IH and JD. just about like nnalert nnalert. A good tractor is what gets the job done. Owners are what overrates any tractor. I have always had IH tractors.Not saying anything bad about JD. As far as quality in the steel in the tractors, as far as i know, the steel came from the same mills when the mills operated in the USA. As for a quality tractor which is the best, there are a lot of brand of tractors 40 years old still working around here. Not just JD. We usually buy the brand of tractor that dad had and what we grew up with. It was always the biggest and best when we were kids. I am by no way an expert on tractors but do know a little being around tractors for fifty years. Over priced, hell what is cheap today. When anyone finds a perfect tractor that don't break down, let me know. One of the biggest factor in JD's success is marketing stragities. True, MF is the biggest seller world wide and IH would never get away from the TA and go to a full power shift untill it was to late. As one was talking about tractor pulls, that don't mean s***. I've gone to pulls for the last 40 years and seen alot. Stock pulls are the only thing you can really go by and I have seen Ford, AC, Case, JD, IH, Oliver, MF, NH, CIH all win and seen them all lose. Today you really don't have much choice about what is left to choose from. JD is about the only company that has not merged or been bought out.

 

[alabamafrog]

One point about steel, I used to work in a steel mill and you would not believe how many different steel recipes there is or how many different kinds of processes it can go through. Each customer would demand different recipes depending on their own specifications and cost concerns, so even though it came out the same doors and arrived on the same truck or train and looks the same, all US steel is by no means the same.
However I don’t know the exact differences between JD and any other tractor makers steel recipe, I guess I should have thought to check into that when I still worked there.

For me JD is my brand because yes I grew up on them but also because I grew up on them and saw how reliable and tough the old 2 bangers were. They very rarely needed and repairs or maintenance and took all kinds of neglect and abuse. Heck I was over 30 years old the first time I ever had to take the hood off one. We bought a Farmall M one time years ago and couldn’t wait to sell it, the IH 856 Dad has now is a good tractor but the 4020, even though smaller and a lot older, is way better to me. My year 2000 model 4700 48hp compact hasn’t let me down yet either. Maybe its just luck but I have had great luck with green.

As for dealer network, what do you need a dealer for, I can probably count on my fingers how many times I’ve needed to go to the dealer in my lifetime. I hope dealer network isn’t a real factor because around here the dealers have really went downhill in the past few years. The only good one left is in a town 50 miles from me, the rest of them sell lawn mowers and toys and don’t know jack about real tractors.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Simple, John Deere has a better Marketing Department then the other guys.

 

[buickanddeere]

Of course India and China make the the sheer number of sales. Small tractors on many small farms in a very large country.
We could also rate sales by HP sold or total $$$ sold.
Ever check resale value vs. purchase price. The Deere depreciates the least yet costs the same new. That's reason enough to decide a sale.
I like Mark Twain's quote. "There are lies, d*mmed lies and statistics".

 

[gtx1967jewison]

big bud. they went nipple up dude. nuff said.

 

[buickanddeere]

That"s the answer. Better public relations and Deere can sell junk making huge profits.
Don"t tell anyone this secret however. Nobody else has figured out for the past 100+ years. That they have been ripped off paying more for less from Deere.