Will not start

First I would like to THANK EVERYONE for helping
me with my PTO problem,it turned out the OR clutch was worn out.Well now I have another problem,my 8N has been running fine since I replaced the OR clutch,up until today,it was running along then it quit,it trys to start when I press the starter button but will not fire,acts like it is not getting gas however I removed the drain plug from the carb,and it is getting gas.Can these tractors get vapor lock?Also would the tractor quit if overheated,it has been pretty hot while bush hogging maybe 95? Thanks for any help.
 
Glad you got the ORC problem solved!

We can help you solve the other problem if you will give us some more info. It is important for you to tell us if your tractor has a 6 volt or 12 volt electrical system & if the distributor is on the front of the engine or on the side. The troubleshooting is different based upon the configuration of your engine.



There are three very important tools you always need to have in your N tool box: a 3 inch piece of wire w/ alligator clips on each end, an old spark plug w/ the gap opened to at least 3/16” ( ¼” is better) and a 7/16 box end wrench. And, you really do need a working ammeter. With these tools, you can quickly narrow down most N problems to spark or fuel.



Next time it stops, check quickly for fuel then spark. When I say quickly, I mean get off the seat, grab the tools & do it right then. Do not wait a minute or two. First, check for fuel. Remove the bolt in the bottom of the carb; as long as the fuel is turned on, you should see gas flowing out of the carb. If it’s a dribble, or runs for 5 seconds & stops, or none at all, you have solved half the problem: it’s fuel related. If gas flows well out of the carb & only stops when you turn it off at the sediment bowl, chances are very good it’s not a fuel problem. So, next, crank the engine & look at the ammeter. What is the ammeter doing? Does it show a constant discharge, no movement at all, or does it dip? Next, get the old plug, ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the engine, turn the key on & crank the engine. If the spark jumps the 3/16” gap, you probably don’t have a spark problem. If it won’t jump the 3/16” gap, you have a spark problem. If the ammeter shows a constant discharge, or doesn’t move at all, that also tells you that you have a spark problem. Jump the ignition switch w/ your jumper wire & see what happens. If it runs, you found the problem. If it doesn’t have spark after you jump the ignition switch, post back for more info on further troubleshooting.



If it does not have gas coming out of the carb at a steady stream w/ the bolt out, you have a fuel problem. First, remove the gas cap. Your vent could be clogged & it vacuum locked. If that doesn’t work, tap the carb bowl w/ a hammer handle in case the float is sticking closed. (don’t whack it w/ the head of the hammer; you can crack the bowl). If you still don’t see gas flowing, the N has three fuel screens; one in the brass elbow, one in the top of the sediment bowl & one on the stem of the sediment bowl in the gas tank. Check the screen in the elbow & the screen in the top of the sediment bowl. (don’t worry about the one in the tank) Both probably need to be cleaned. If you have the fuel knob turned on all the way, & 1 gallon or less in the tank, it may be trying to feed off of the reserve inlet which is probably clogged. Only open it 2 full turns. Put at least 2 gallons in the tank.



There are ways to check for spark & fuel that work & ways that don't. For example, having gas to the carb is nice, but having it past the float is what counts! That’s why removing the bolt in the bottom of the carb is the way to do it. And, same thing w/ spark at the plugs. Some folks think that checking for spark means pulling a plug wire off & looking for one. Well, it's the distance the spark jumps at the plug that gives you the info you want. It takes about 17kv to jump a 3/16" gap & 22kv to jump ¼” in the open air, so that's why you need to use a spark plug. Or, a store bought plug checker. Remember, it’s 14psi outside of the engine & about 90psi at a 6:1 compression ratio in the cylinders & compressed air crates electrical resistance, so you really need the 17-22kv to fire the plugs when the engine is running. There are other good ways to check for fuel & spark, but these ways work for me.

Yea, they can vapor lock these days, but they will vacuum lock quicker.

It's difficult to vapor lock a gravity fed up draft carb. It's easy, however, to vacuum lock an N fuel system.

The N came w/ a non-vented gas cap. The tank vent is under a blister on top of the tank, under the hood. It clogs easily after 50+ years!

As I said above, next time your tractor stops, loosen the gas cap. If you hear it woosh, it was vacuum locked.

Notwithstanding what I just said about it being difficult to vapor lock an N, the amount of ethanol in the fuel can easily lower the boiling point of the gas....resulting in vapor lock!
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bruce, can you be more specific with this directive?....... Next, get the old plug, ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the engine, turn the key on & crank the engine.

thanks
 
You need to see if the spark will jump the 3/16 or 1/4" plug gap. To do that, the plug must be hooked up to a plug wire & it must be firmly grounded to the engine to complete the circuit. Use insulated pliers to do that or you will serve as the ground! Or, buy one of those spark checkers as shown in the picture.
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