winch

[mnoliverguy]

Would a winch from a jd430 fit on a jd450b? If so how hard would it be to find the p.t.o. and how hard would it be to put it on? Thanks

 

[2x4]

the 430 is a wheel tractor? I don't recognize it as a dozer number. Also the number of the winch would be helpful as they made several models of winches back then.

 

[Tinytractor]

If a C is added behind the 420 or 430 you will find information on the crawler series of tractors. Near this time john Deere added the first industrial version of the 440C crawler and it had a option of a rare 251 series Detroit diesel. No exhaust vales just Reed Valves. After a thousand hours they would not seal and you had to use either on them to start them even in warmer weather. I do not think the winch will fit at all on the rear housing..

 

[LJD]

That's something I've never heard before. I've worked on a lot of 440s with 2-53s. Never heard of any Deere selling any tractor with the 2-51. I have seen them in marine use.

 

[LJD]

No, the 450 uses a winch with the input shaft in a totally different place. You MIGHT be able to make a winch from a 420 or 430 fit a 1010 or 350, but you'd have to make some sort of adapter brackets.
My 420 crawler has a Carco manual winch.

I suppose you've got an old manual winch, and not a power winch like the 3315 and 3325 models on 350s and 450s.

 

[Anonymous-0]

My 350 has the 1,000rpm PTO on the left side halfway up when viewed from the back. As I recall, the earlier models had a slower PTO with coarser splines near center at the bottom. Your 450 probably also has a 1,000rpm spline. Adapting may not work.

 

[Lavoy]

The 440's came with the 53 series, not 51. ALL Detroit diesel two stroke engines have exhaust valves, no such thing as reed valves in them, the bottom of the sleeves are slotted for the intake air, hence no intake valves. Not at all rare, production figures for crawlers was in the thousands, wheel a couple thousand if I remember correcty, can't find my book right now.
No, the winch will not fit, not even close.
Lavoy
JDCRAWLERS.COM

 

[Lavoy]

Over 2,200 430 crawlers made, just one of many available 430 models.
Lavoy
JDCRAWLERS.COM

 

[LJD]

Incorrect. DD made a "cheap" version called the 51 series and it has no exhaust valves. I have one. They came in two versions. The 2-51 and the 4-51 and were mostly used in boats and power units. DD made it until 1959. As I recall the better 2-53 came out in 1957.

To my knowledge Deere never used a 51 series in anything. Maybe some obscure prototype that the public never saw.

 

[LJD]

"el cheapo" valve-less version of the 53 series . .

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[Lavoy]

My bad, should have said not including the 51 series. 53 series came in 2 and 4 valve versions, but Deere was only 2 valve.
Lavoy
JDCRAWLERS.COM

 

[LJD]

Can't say I ever heard of Deere experimenting with the 51 Detroit, but I'm sure they did many things in the back rooms we never heard about. I do know Deere used a few Novo engines and also used some Ford Model A auto transmissions in a few prototype tractors.

 

[Tinytractor]

I have no idea how many of the 51s were used in early 440 crawlers but the one I worked on belong to the manager of Dallmor Equipment Co in the Dallas Oregon and was on a contract with a fire control crew that removed slash in the mount Hood National forest and operated by a driver with the Parkdale Ranger Station. I was the driver and later that year I went to work for Dallmor as a field mechanic. Once you got that engine started it was a bumble bee.

 

[Tinytractor]

It has been a few years as you know but the spelling of the town the machinery co was located in is The Dalles, Oregon. It is about a 100 miles East of Portland up the Columbia River Gorge.
You know how some of us old mechanics are, we didn't pay a lot of attention in School, we just wanted to fix stuff and get some black oil and grease on us and a paycheck.