YM 1500 starting problem

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New member here! Proud new owner of an oldtimer YM1500 (when I can get it to start). The problem sounds identical to what member chuckyp ran into with his YM1500D last year so if he sees this post I would like his advice on what he did to correct the problem.

On rare occasions, the starter bendix engages the flywheel on the first attempt to start. It usually takes several attempts in order to get the bendix to engage. The starter motor spins ok and I hear the bendix grinding against the flywheel.

I removed the starter and it is very clean both externally and internally. A bench test indicates all the components are working properly and no abnormal wear or damage to the bendix teeth. (11 teeth). The solenoid snaps the bendix the full length of travel when voltage is applied to same. The starter bushing, on the flywheel end, is OK.

I see no damage to the flywheel teeth and the wear pattern on the flywheel teeth, left when the bendix engages the flywheel, indicate a full engagement of the bendix teeth to the flywheel teeth. There is a shiny area on the flywheel where the bendix has rubbed against same spot during it's attempt to engage but I see no burrs on the flywheel which would prohibite engagement.

There is a metal gasket of about 1/16th in. thickness that goes between the starter and bellhousing and it appears to be OK. I even tried loosening the starter mounting bolts slightly which provided no help.

Does the flywheel stop in the same position each time the motor is stopped?

Could the solenoid be weak? I've always thought they either work or they don't.

I am anxious to hear any suggestions members may offer and enjoy reading the posts of other members. This tractor seems to be in very good condition overall and I think it falls into the refurbished gray market category. The painter obviously had no sandpaper and paint has begun to peel around the edges. If the motor knocked when it was new as it does now, I'm surprised they were able to sell it! Hope that knocking is normal!
 
It's a grey, a popular model. That normal diesel clatter is more pronounced on 2-cyl models, when cold and at low RPMs.

Could be a bad wire/connector, anywhere in the charging circuit. There's not that much to check, except that the key-switch area is hard to access.

Meanwhile, you'll find an earlier thread in which I detail how to spin the starter without relying on the circuit using a jumper switch. Safer for you and the tractor than just shorting across the starter terminals.
 
Also try removing the spacer. It will let the starter engage further. It is not needed on all models & starters.
 
Service Manual first and foremost. Eliminate wiring then solenoid as problems. Next (from personal experience) check starter brushes. If it's a Hitachi starter ( S******) brushes should be no less than .472 in. long. Brush holder is replaceable.
 
Thanks all, for the responses! I tried removing the gasket (think it is more of a spacer) which failed to correct the problem. I visually inspected the bendix and flywheel again and could not determine why they would not engage. I took digital photos to send my son to get his diagnosis. Below are links to the photos and I think I see a tooth on the bendix which appears to have been a fault during the manufacuring process.

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<LINK_TEXT text="http://img.photobu...om/albums/v358/jd112h/Bendix4.jpg</LINK_TEXT>

<LINK_TEXT text="http://img.photobu.../albums/v358/jd112h/Flywheel2.jpg</LINK_TEXT>
 
Since you just bought the tractor, and don't know if it ever worked correctly, I'm thinking it may be the wrong starter for your tractor. Any warranty, or can you contact the seller. Any name or #'s on the starter? Maybe Aaron or Dairyman can tell.
 
The PO made it very clear that the tractor had a problem with the starting process. I think the starter number is S 114-219. I'm wondering if this could be one of the tractors that requires a 9 tooth bendix?

<LINK_TEXT text="http://img.photobu...albums/v358/jd112h/Starter1-1.jpg</LINK_TEXT>

<LINK_TEXT text="http://img.photobu...om/albums/v358/jd112h/Starter.jpg</LINK_TEXT>

I did turn the flywheel 1 revolution and it looks about the same all the way around as in the photo. Didn't look for numbers on same but will do so later this week.
 
Axccording to my info that should be the right starter, and looks original, unless the pinion has been replaced with the wrong one. Does it measure 34mm in diameter?
IAT #: 33716Part: HITACHI STR. DRIVE - 11T, 5SPL.
Category: Starter Drives
View picture
Replaces: 2114-55003;
Applications: Bobcat, Nissan Forklift, Yanmar Marine / Industrial. Hitachi 1.3 kw Industrial Starters.
Starter #'s: S114-196, -203, -219, -230, -235, -235A, -235B, -625.

Lester #'s: 18206, 18207, 18218.

Dimensions: 11-T, CW, 5 Splines, 62.0 mm L, Gear: 34.0 mm OD, 12.5 mm ID.
 
If you determine the problem, please post it, Everything on my 1500 checks good, but its getting worse. The strarter drive does not engage
properly and starter motor spins without turning engine over. But when it engages it starts like it is suppose to.
 
Good news! The oldtimer received a new starter bendix yesterday and now works as it should! The new bendix is an 11 tooth bendix, same as the old. The old bendix shows sign of wear to the teeth but still looks like it should engage the flywheel.

<LINK_TEXT text="http://img.photobu...m/albums/v358/jd112h/Bendix10.jpg</LINK_TEXT>

I decided to open up the old one and discovered the real problem. Springs which hold the roller bearings in place have obviously deteriorated allowing the bendix to slip on the starter shaft when under load. I had tried to twist the bendix by hand and it appeared to be OK by that test..

<LINK_TEXT text="http://img.photobu...m/albums/v358/jd112h/Bendix12.jpg</LINK_TEXT>

Hope this helps members diagnose their starter issues in the future and thanks to all those who helped me.

P.S. I used a deepwell socket to push the protective cover over the snap ring back toward the teeth in order to gain access to the snap ring which keeps the bendix on the starter shaft.
 
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