821 w/4 speed input shaft load bearing snap ring?

[marlin54]

So as long as I have the input shaft out and replacing the seal for the shaft , the bearing is also worn too much to not replace it...So Im looking at the bearing housing and to me I see a groove that would match up after I would press the new bearing in....but I dont see a snap ring on here? So am I missing this clip? Or is there not one supposed to be in there? Also when I got the seal from the bearing place he told me the seal goes in this way and I wanted to check.? I put it in like in the picture....And just for reference....because with these Fords and people swapping engines, rear ends, trans you never can go by serial numbers...It was a 821, no 3 pt or pto, a 4 speed and NOT HI/LOW , 15 spline shaft...The original bearing is made by Hoover and number is # 208.....40mm ID 80mm OD 18 mm wide...so my bearing dealer here wants $80 for a replacement.... So I looked on Amazon and found several different ones from different manufactures....any where from $100 and down ....so a good replacement ...So I I found this WJB 6208....$6 dollars and $5.99 shipping............after reading the details , its made for this type of work and . ..so Im going with this bearing..according to what I read its made for this type of work...4,000 lbs load , high rpms, and made for clutches, and transmissions....its exact same dimensions...and looks exactly the same ...
So back to the snap ring? Do you think I need one and is there a part number from Ford? I have looked here and at other places like stieners..nothing..?

 

[marlin54]

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[pomester]

So as long as I have the input shaft out and replacing the seal for the shaft , the bearing is also worn too much to not replace it...So Im looking at the bearing housing and to me I see a groove that would match up after I would press the new bearing in....but I dont see a snap ring on here? So am I missing this clip? Or is there not one supposed to be in there? Also when I got the seal from the bearing place he told me the seal goes in this way and I wanted to check.? I put it in like in the picture....And just for reference....because with these Fords and people swapping engines, rear ends, trans you never can go by serial numbers...It was a 821, no 3 pt or pto, a 4 speed and NOT HI/LOW , 15 spline shaft...The original bearing is made by Hoover and number is # 208.....40mm ID 80mm OD 18 mm wide...so my bearing dealer here wants $80 for a replacement.... So I looked on Amazon and found several different ones from different manufactures....any where from $100 and down ....so a good replacement ...So I I found this WJB 6208....$6 dollars and $5.99 shipping............after reading the details , its made for this type of work and . ..so Im going with this bearing..according to what I read its made for this type of work...4,000 lbs load , high rpms, and made for clutches, and transmissions....its exact same dimensions...and looks exactly the same ...
So back to the snap ring? Do you think I need one and is there a part number from Ford? I have looked here and at other places like stieners..nothing..?

The parts manual shows no snap ring - and also a cone/cup bearing. I'm not sure what's going on with that. Perhaps a 4-speed expert will show up with some explanation.

 

[marlin54]

Thanks..but this looks like a 8n ,9n ectt trans.......I think the 4 speed I have in the 600, 800 900 ect...is a different...style?

 

[pomester]

Thanks..but this looks like a 8n ,9n ectt trans.......I think the 4 speed I have in the 600, 800 900 ect...is a different...style?

It's out of this manual - should be appropriate for an 821 - I have no experience, I've been thru a couple of 5 speeds, this manual works for them.