en, I have been watching forums and your posts this winter and have concluded that you have nothing to do nor anyone to talk to, so you work at starting an exchange with any thing that you dream up that might work. Now, you surely know that volts and amps go hand in hand, so why , other than for conversation, would you ask such a question? Long winter, huh?(quoted from post at 20:46:44 02/20/15) Cold starting 6v VS. 12v
Is the problem volts or amps ?
I could research it but I am sure it's a simple question for someone familiar with the subject . We have had resent threads on hard starting in extreme cold with 6v .
(quoted from post at 19:54:48 02/20/15)en, I have been watching forums and your posts this winter and have concluded that you have nothing to do nor anyone to talk to, so you work at starting an exchange with any thing that you dream up that might work. Now, you surely know that volts and amps go hand in hand, so why , other than for conversation, would you ask such a question? Long winter, huh?(quoted from post at 20:46:44 02/20/15) Cold starting 6v VS. 12v
Is the problem volts or amps ?
I could research it but I am sure it's a simple question for someone familiar with the subject . We have had resent threads on hard starting in extreme cold with 6v .
hy guess and speculate,Ken? Give it a shot and report back. Answer your own question and educate others at the same time(quoted from post at 21:16:54 02/20/15)(quoted from post at 19:54:48 02/20/15)en, I have been watching forums and your posts this winter and have concluded that you have nothing to do nor anyone to talk to, so you work at starting an exchange with any thing that you dream up that might work. Now, you surely know that volts and amps go hand in hand, so why , other than for conversation, would you ask such a question? Long winter, huh?(quoted from post at 20:46:44 02/20/15) Cold starting 6v VS. 12v
Is the problem volts or amps ?
I could research it but I am sure it's a simple question for someone familiar with the subject . We have had resent threads on hard starting in extreme cold with 6v .
Sorry , I thought this was the place to talk tractors , I see you replied - he he .
I have a general knowledge on electronics / electrical stuff , but I have also been wrong or believe so because that's the way I learned growing up . I have probably learned more things were not what I thought than new stuff I learned here . looks like a lot of people here don't know the true answer either even though is is basic and boring to some .
Seems if it was a simple amp thing people would just use two batteries but I dont see that , must be something else .
(quoted from post at 20:46:44 02/20/15) Cold starting 6v VS. 12v
Is the problem volts or amps ?
I could research it but I am sure it's a simple question for someone familiar with the subject . We have had resent threads on hard starting in extreme cold with 6v .
o need to wonder....there will always be somebody out there to jaw about anything(quoted from post at 01:31:53 02/21/15)(quoted from post at 20:46:44 02/20/15) Cold starting 6v VS. 12v
Is the problem volts or amps ?
I could research it but I am sure it's a simple question for someone familiar with the subject . We have had resent threads on hard starting in extreme cold with 6v .
Ken my take on it is that a 12 V battery supplies more pressure therefore able to overcome a larger force For instance 6 V on your starter will spin it half as fast as 12 V supplied to the same generator which is drawing the same wattage.
An electrical device such as a starter doesn't need as large cables in a 12 V system as compared to a 6 V system. My reasoning is because although the starter requires the same amount of power or watts to drive it, less amps are drawn from the battery in a 12 V system then in the 6 V system.
12 volts Will be able to jump through a dirty connection (resistance) better than a 6 V voltage can. And this is where keeping those connections tight bright and clean come into play more for a 6 V system as opposed to a 12 V system. But both systems need maintenance performed regularly to function properly.
I think that in a few years the industry standard 12 V battery will be replaced by 24 V or even 36 V systems in future automobiles. I wonder if we will be having this discussion in a few years when we start converting our tractors 24 V.
But then I am very sure that you know all this already.
OK! It is not either or, it's both in combination. It takes power to turn your engine over. Amperes are like water in a pipe and volts are like how much pressure the water in under. The amount of water getting through a small hole (resistance) Depends on having water in the pipe and having it under pressure. Together you have the power to get the water through the hole. In electricity you multiply the amperes times the volts and you come up with watts, which is the power I talked about. If you don't change the size of the hole (the resistance) but you double the pressure (volts) you get twice the power and in the case of our old Fords, our starters which were designed to work satisfactorily with only 6 volts, will happily spin much faster, and hopefully, start the engine without having to have everything perfect like it just about has to be for a 6 volt start. But I like Hobo's answer better.(quoted from post at 17:46:44 02/20/15) Cold starting 6v VS. 12v
Is the problem volts or amps ?
I could research it but I am sure it's a simple question for someone familiar with the subject . We have had resent threads on hard starting in extreme cold with 6v .
(quoted from post at 01:31:53 02/21/15)(quoted from post at 20:46:44 02/20/15) Cold starting 6v VS. 12v
Is the problem volts or amps ?
I could research it but I am sure it's a simple question for someone familiar with the subject . We have had resent threads on hard starting in extreme cold with 6v .
Ken my take on it is that a 12 V battery supplies more pressure therefore able to overcome a larger force For instance 6 V on your starter will spin it half as fast as 12 V supplied to the same generator which is drawing the same wattage.
An electrical device such as a starter doesn't need as large cables in a 12 V system as compared to a 6 V system. My reasoning is because although the starter requires the same amount of power or watts to drive it, less amps are drawn from the battery in a 12 V system then in the 6 V system.
12 volts Will be able to jump through a dirty connection (resistance) better than a 6 V voltage can. And this is where keeping those connections tight bright and clean come into play more for a 6 V system as opposed to a 12 V system. But both systems need maintenance performed regularly to function properly.
I think that in a few years the industry standard 12 V battery will be replaced by 24 V or even 36 V systems in future automobiles. I wonder if we will be having this discussion in a few years when we start converting our tractors 24 V.
But then I am very sure that you know all this already.
no need to wonder....there will always be somebody out there to jaw about anything
(quoted from post at 00:31:53 02/21/15)(quoted from post at 20:46:44 02/20/15) Cold starting 6v VS. 12v
Is the problem volts or amps ?
I could research it but I am sure it's a simple question for someone familiar with the subject . We have had resent threads on hard starting in extreme cold with 6v .
Ken my take on it is that a 12 V battery supplies more pressure therefore able to overcome a larger force For instance 6 V on your starter will spin it half as fast as 12 V supplied to the same generator which is drawing the same wattage.
An electrical device such as a starter doesn't need as large cables in a 12 V system as compared to a 6 V system. My reasoning is because although the starter requires the same amount of power or watts to drive it, less amps are drawn from the battery in a 12 V system then in the 6 V system.
12 volts Will be able to jump through a dirty connection (resistance) better than a 6 V voltage can. And this is where keeping those connections tight bright and clean come into play more for a 6 V system as opposed to a 12 V system. But both systems need maintenance performed regularly to function properly.
I think that in a few years the industry standard 12 V battery will be replaced by 24 V or even 36 V systems in future automobiles. I wonder if we will be having this discussion in a few years when we start converting our tractors 24 V.
But then I am very sure that you know all this already.
(quoted from post at 11:04:55 02/21/15) The way I see it is like a sprinkler or soaker hose. The more voltage (pressure) the higher the water sprays out of the hose(magnetic field) We have been falsely taught that the field comes from the current. It comes from the atoms of the windings. In a permanent magnet, there is no voltage or current, so it has to be coming from the material. The field of an electromagnet is the same, so it comes from the material too. Excited by the voltage (pressure) You can prove this yourself with a simple experiment. Take a small coil of wire & put XXX watts in it & see how much iron it will pick up. Then put the same watts in a large coil(more material) and it will pick up way more iron. The big coil will have more resistance so you will need more voltage & less current to make the watts equal. Again proving that the field comes from the material excited by the VOLTAGE.
(quoted from post at 15:16:41 02/21/15)
TOH, you & soundguy are getting into a battle of wits w/ an unarmed man.
(quoted from post at 19:59:34 02/21/15) Ken,
I thought you asked a legitimate question and was interested in reading some legitimate responses from the electrical gurus here.
Alas, that is not to be.
Maybe you should ask this on Tractor Talk.
There the people who know the answers to your question might deign to help you.
And not go into the useless self congratulatory tittering like the gurus do here.
(quoted from post at 03:59:34 02/22/15) Ken,
I thought you asked a legitimate question and was interested in reading some legitimate responses from the electrical gurus here.
Alas, that is not to be.
Maybe you should ask this on Tractor Talk.
There the people who know the answers to your question might deign to help you.
And not go into the useless self congratulatory tittering like the gurus do here.
(quoted from post at 21:46:44 02/20/15) Cold starting 6v VS. 12v
Is the problem volts or amps ?
I could research it but I am sure it's a simple question for someone familiar with the subject . We have had resent threads on hard starting in extreme cold with 6v .
(quoted from post at 22:04:57 02/21/15)(quoted from post at 03:59:34 02/22/15) Ken,
I thought you asked a legitimate question and was interested in reading some legitimate responses from the electrical gurus here.
Alas, that is not to be.
Maybe you should ask this on Tractor Talk.
There the people who know the answers to your question might deign to help you.
And not go into the useless self congratulatory tittering like the gurus do here.
You did not like my recommendation... :shock:
Its all about the work it can do efficiently... 36-24-36 is self charging if you can afford one... I could care less about how its made my job is to diagnose and fix it in a efficient manner the first time... I was waiting for a couple to roll up there degree and slap him around with it... :lol:
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