EV tractor sales

[Fritz Maurer]

The governments all say they won't outlaw fossil fuels, they'll just regulate them out of business.

There is a sound bite out there of B.H.O. making that very statement verbatim.

 

[farmersamm]

"locally CO2 neutral"

"zero local emissions"

"500Kw"for the big one

 

[farmersamm]

If my math is correct...................I'm REALLY impressed with the numbers!!!

At 500Kwh............that magnificent piece of engineering will use the equivalent amount of electricity required to melt a ton of scrap in an arc furnace.........every hour it's in the field.

https://www.frcglobal.com/blog/the-costs-of-producing-steel-with-electric-arc-furnaces

Only thing Green about that thing, is the hood.

 

[Dean]

If my math is correct...................I'm REALLY impressed with the numbers!!!

At 500Kwh............that magnificent piece of engineering will use the equivalent amount of electricity required to melt a ton of scrap in an arc furnace.........every hour it's in the field.

https://www.frcglobal.com/blog/the-costs-of-producing-steel-with-electric-arc-furnaces

Only thing Green about that thing, is the hood.

Good analogy, math or otherwise.

Once upon a time, around 30 years ago, I worked in a continuous casting steel mill with electric arc furnace.

The DC furnace could melt nearly 300 tons of scrap and bring the brew to around 2,900 degrees F in about 50 minutes.

The 36" diameter carbon electrode would strike an arc at about 900VDC and 240,000 amps.

It was impressive to watch and even more impressive to hear. If one can imagine lightening striking continuously about 100 feet away, you can gain an impression of the sound.

 

[Phil T]

This country is pushing electric vehicles and clean energy while China And India are pumping more into the environment than ever before, and laughing at us for buying the cheap junk they make. What a fiasco

 

[Dean]

"locally CO2 neutral"

"zero local emissions"

"500Kw"for the big one

Key words: "local" and " locally."

The electric bill for the 2" continuous casting mill where I once worked was over $1M/month when we were still well below continuous production. Mind you, this was nearly 30 years ago.

One can only imagine the square miles of windmills and solar panels one would need to operate the plant on windy days during sunshine.

Most folks have no real conception of reality.

 

[Dean]

This country is pushing electric vehicles and clean energy while China And India are pumping more into the environment than ever before, and laughing at us for buying the cheap junk they make. What a fiasco

BINGO!

 

[38 Sears Roebuck]

That must have been some fantastic battery NASA used on the Lunar Rover. And we are just now seeing this technology??? Think of the weight of those batteries and how the temperature extremes affected them??? Nothing like getting smoke blown up your behind by our leaders.

 

[Tony in SD]

This time of the year I have to put my cordless batteries in a cooler with a light bulb inside to keep them warm or they won't take a charge.
Cold cordless batteries don't have the power they had in the summer.
My cordless batteries won't charge if they are too warm.

I've never owned an EV. I have no clue how they would keep the battery at the best temp to take a charge and how will they keep me warm in the winter.

I'm not 100%, I think cordless batteries and EV's use the same type battery.

Google says:

Most electric cars are powered by hundreds or even thousands of small lithium-ion batteries. While these batteries are more advanced than regular batteries, the chemical reactions inside them will still slow down in the cold, which will reduce their charging and discharging efficiency.

Does Temperature Affect EV Battery Life?
Yes, high temperature affects EV battery life. If the battery temperature is higher than 30°C, or 86°F, it can lead to a higher rate of degradation of the battery components, particularly the electrodes and electrolytes. This results in a reduction of the battery’s overall capacity.

Why does cold weather affect the mileage range of an EV?​

One of the biggest challenges with EVs in cold weather is that the battery needs to work harder to do things like keeping the heat on. The best performing battery is a warm battery; cold weather makes the batteries work harder, and drains more power in the process.

I thank God we still have a choice to buy Internal combustion engines. Some states want to take your choice away.

That is all I have to say about that, Forrest Gump.

The answer is basic physics; maximum transfer of power occurs when the source impedance equals the load impedance. Design temperature is usually 68*F. When the temperature increases or decreases from the design temperature, the source impedance usually changes at a different rate and/or direction of the load impedance. Since the impedances don‘t match because of the temperature changes, maximum transfer of power can not occur. Thus using more power.

 

[Tony in SD]

"locally CO2 neutral"

"zero local emissions"

"500Kw"for the big one

What could possibly go wrong with an autonomous 500kW tractor? Hope their positive shut down algorithm works in the event of a computer glitch.

 

[Leroy]

In the utility 40 hp class selectrac started general market sales this year of a compact electric tractor.
They sold 75 units in first 6 months of production this year . A farmer on ewe tube demo one, he has loader and
takes two 900 -1000 lb hay bales every morning out to the cow pasture with this tractor. One bale per trip.
He says no worries about starting a combustion engine on cold morning ,no dead battery. no fuel gelling..no purchase diesel
fuel . Reliable work horse. Says the battery drops 1 % after morning chores finished .
Are these going to take over th3 40 horse utility tractor market. Did we see the start of the switch to the compact electric tractor in 2023 ?

If things go to electric how are they going to make the charge equipment without fossile involvement To even get the material out of the ground to make the power to charge the batteries. Nobody has given any thought to that that I know of.

 

[DoubleO7]

I have been thinking of getting the crate motor for my 65 Galaxie.

 

[Brendon-KS]

That must have been some fantastic battery NASA used on the Lunar Rover. And we are just now seeing this technology??? Think of the weight of those batteries and how the temperature extremes affected them??? Nothing like getting smoke blown up your behind by our leaders.

One needs to keep in mind that the luner rover had a grand total of 1 horsepower of propulsion power and used non-rechargable batteries with a power capacity of less than 5 kW-hrs. Moving on the moon doesn't require much power and the longest distance one ever traveled was only a few dozen miles. Needless to say the battery technology of today is far and away greater than that from the early 70s, even with the budget that NASA had to work with.

 

[farmersamm]

Key words: "local" and " locally."

The electric bill for the 2" continuous casting mill where I once worked was over $1M/month when we were still well below continuous production. Mind you, this was nearly 30 years ago.

One can only imagine the square miles of windmills and solar panels one would need to operate the plant on windy days during sunshine.

Most folks have no real conception of reality.

I've welded for over half a lifetime, so I'm fascinated/appreciative of the process that provides the raw materials.

These are 2 of my favorite videos. They did a marvelous job making these. I believe these shops are long gone, not sure.

Maybe 60yrs ago, I can remember, as a little boy, travelling with my parents through the Gary area. You'd see the old B model Macks on the highway with a single coil on the trailer. The company names were on the vertical plate on the front bumper that a lot of the old Macks seemed to have back in the day. The air was orange tinted, and every road sign was corroded. I never felt so much in awe in my lifetime. Later in life I trucked through the Rust Belt hauling boxed beef out of the plants in Garden City. It was depresing to think of what was.

I don't have a window in my shop (obviously) so I made my own window to the world. ROFLMAO

Works for me....................... LOL

 

[Mcrafty1]

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2021/11/02/all-electric-f-100-eluminator-concept.html

No mention of range of travel per charge nor expected lifespan nor cost of production nor what the major energy will be used to power, produce or maintain? just the HP and torque rating.....on peak charge. All growl, no bite

 

[Mcrafty1]

There, there, everything will be alright. Oil can last up to 50 years, natural gas up to 53 years, and coal up to 114 years. So maybe we need to be thinking about some alternatives. May be we shouldn't be just thinking, maybe we really ought to be coming up with some alternatives. Or maybe we should even be switching some of our consumption over to renewables from fossil fuels. Of course we need to anticipate that as reserves dwindle prices will of course go up, simple supply and demand. Increases in fossil fuel costs will of course drive customers away to what will become the lower priced alternative: renewables. Fortunately for the elderly among us who can't accept change, there are enough responsible forward thinking people around to push the needle just far enough to get the alternatives and renewables coming along so that we don't have to have major wars to get our oil, or for those of us under fifty years old, have to purchase and start filling up our own thousand gallon reserves next year.

According to reports of the day, we hit peak oil around 1970ish, and have been increasing that BPD total ever since.

 

[GChief]

No mention of range of travel per charge nor expected lifespan nor cost of production nor what the major energy will be used to power, produce or maintain? just the HP and torque rating.....on peak charge. All growl, no bite

Ummmm, it is a concept vehicle

 

[WNYBill]

Remember, one of the reasons cars replaced horses was because Henry offered the Model T cheaper than a good driving team of horsed! Price point runs a new market!

 

[Dean]

I've welded for over half a lifetime, so I'm fascinated/appreciative of the process that provides the raw materials.

These are 2 of my favorite videos. They did a marvelous job making these. I believe these shops are long gone, not sure.

Maybe 60yrs ago, I can remember, as a little boy, travelling with my parents through the Gary area. You'd see the old B model Macks on the highway with a single coil on the trailer. The company names were on the vertical plate on the front bumper that a lot of the old Macks seemed to have back in the day. The air was orange tinted, and every road sign was corroded. I never felt so much in awe in my lifetime. Later in life I trucked through the Rust Belt hauling boxed beef out of the plants in Garden City. It was depresing to think of what was.

I don't have a window in my shop (obviously) so I made my own window to the world. ROFLMAO

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Works for me....................... LOL

Fascinating photo.

The United States was once a great country.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

That must have been some fantastic battery NASA used on the Lunar Rover. And we are just now seeing this technology??? Think of the weight of those batteries and how the temperature extremes affected them??? Nothing like getting smoke blown up your behind by our leaders.

The lunar rovers used a silver-oxide battery, same as your hearing aid, just larger.

They didn't need to maintain 70MPH to keep up with traffic.
They didn't need to go hundreds of miles.
They didn't need to meet Federal crash safety standards.
They only had to contend with 1/6 of normal gravity.

Before you go spouting off about some grand government conspiracy to hide superior battery technology away from the masses to keep them dependent on foreign oil, get your facts straight.