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Here in New York, on road diesel went from $4.05 to $4.25 overnight! I called for home heating oil, company said it is now illegal for me to use home heating oil in my tractors, they will not fill my tank with hho, Now I need to by Off road diesel, All the regulations, might as well be @#%^& and get welfare.
 
I kinda understand the fuel prices, but I cannot understand why diesel fuel is about .75 a gallon higher than gas. What makes it bad is, price of fuel goes up, price of transportation goes up, then price of fuel has to go up again to offset the higher transportation cost, then the circle start again.
Jim
 
I just read a proposal that someone came up with to get the gas prices down. We can't get them to lower the price to $2.00 per gal by our pleading or appealing to their sense of honor(they have none). We can't go without gas. If we use less then they just jack up the price more. They don't care about us only the almighty dollar. Here's a suggestion. For the remainder of the year we should all boycott Exxon and Mobil. By gas but not from them. When they see their money falling off THEY will lower the prices which will trigger a huge price war. The price will have to come down as other oil companies strive to stay comptetive. We just have to stay united and firm in our conviction. Avoid Exxon and Mobil.
It just might work.
 
The heating oil company told me that it is also illegal to use off-road diesel as heating oil. They told me I need to have 2 separate tanks. After this year I will only be using heating oil as a back up and don't want to store 200 gallons for years on end. If I get a tank of off-road fuel, I will actually use it enough to keep it fresh.
 
I've had a personal boycott of Exxon every since the Valdez incident. They also was alleged to have cheated the citizens of Alabama of royalties from offshore drilling and Exxon appealed a jury award of several billion dollars but the nnalert Supreme Court of Alabama reduced it to 50 million.
 
Have two tanks, yeah, guess what, I got one pump can go in either tank. I will take oil from the house tank and put it in the tractor. Thats what wood heat is for in the house, and the oil is the back up......After the whole Spitzer thing, can you blame anyone for not being honest lol
 
The 1 was a nnalert Chief Justice.
Shows you which side the rest came down on. These multinational corporations usually win. Wonder why?
 
Conspiracy theories don't interest me. But this is what I know. If a company makes a profit you want to tax it out of existence or regulate it to death. Then you sit and wonder why the good jobs are leaving the country.

You wouldn't be as interested in taxing everything so heavily if you actually made money and had to pay taxes yourself.
 
Who would you have Exxon compete with? Mobil? It is Exxon Mobil after all...
Simply put, if I didn't buy fuel from Esso/Imperial Oil (Exxon), I would't be buying fuel. It's very simple here. Esso has one refiery. Irving has one refinery. They work in cahoots with each other on a regional distribution basis so that ALL fuel is delivered from one bulk plant or another. Irving just demolished their bulk plant in our area last fall. All the fuel 'here' is delivered from Esso's bulk plant which is replenished from Esso's refinery. All local suppliers from every stripe load out at Esso's rack. It's that simple. There is NO competition.... so if I boycott Exxon, I better get a horse.
Seems to me that the people that propose these boycott ideas have no idea to what degree these guys ahve integrated their operations already. If they did, there would be no boycott proposals.

Rod
 
How can you blame them when the product is bought and sold on the board of trade every day. The oil companies do not set the price of the product or are you one of those people who think we get all of our oil from the east. Do you know our biggest supplier is not them.
 
Grant me strength. The whining begins again as Americans & Canadians start paying real world prices for fuel.
I suggests you burn less fuel, develop new fuel alternatives.
And thank the Almighty your spoiled *ss is here instead of in China, Africa, South America, Central America, Eastern Europe, Russia or the Middle East.
 
The price of fuel, no matter what you do, what you boyot, is not going to drop by more than the normal 3-5%% yoyo, it is traded as a commodity by brokers and as long it is controled as a commodity, prices are there, nothing will change. The only thing that you can do is self boycot. If you want to Boycot something, boycot wasted trips here and there, boycot driving a gas guzzling vehicle, unless it is a necessity. I see more waste of fuel from the people whining the loudest. Why not make all your errands in one trip,not 5-6. My truck is parked except for work. I use the same dollar amount of fuel, just less gallons. So, yes, I am boycotting, but my boycots are where they need to be.
Jim
 
How much more are you going to charge to pickup or deliver customers mowers now ? I am seriously thinking about not tilling any gardens this year bacause of what I would have to charge to make a profit ,after all I can put over 100 miles a day on the truck just running around the metro area .
 
You don't even know me. How to you know whether not I pay taxes. But that's beside the point. I'm talking about holding cheating corportations accountable. Nothing to do with taxes.
 
I HAVE BEEN AROUND THIS SIGHT FOR A SHORT TIME AND I LOVE IT. You guys always have good responses.I do believe we are NOT the ones that are wasting our oil reserves. The cost now, 111.00 a barrel,then we refine it, send it overseas ,to fight a war which we will never win, REMEMBER VIET NAM ? Our men need to be back doing their jobs so our gov can keep a closer eye on the people they used to replace them with, while they are gone. With the big "R" word now being real,I am proud of anyone that can get as much as they can back from someone who stole from them.--- LEAGELEY??? Go for it!!
 
WHAT is the basis for that... obviously a "tax" thing in NY... I can understand "road tax" on fuel, but what's the basis for the heating oil vs. off-road diesel thing??? Did you ask the supplier?
 
Your right Rodger, a jury found that the company was intentionally cheating the State of Alabama out of royalties due to the state coffers, and the Governor (who wants to jack up all Baldwin County Al property taxes through annual reappraisals) with his nnalert Supreme Court let them off the hook. But, I would bet the nnalert would have done the same thing somehow. Big money always gets away with crimes that we tax paying would be crushed for doing.
 
We cut our driving years ago. There's no more, or liitle more slack in our driving budget. You are expected to show up at work!
 
Gene, Just what do you think is bought and sold on the commodity market? Do you really believe the oil companies buy all their oil off the board of trade? If they did their profits wouldn't be so high, the traders would have the profits.
Therefore do you believe we should not trade that excess oil on the Board?
 
At least Spitzer was using his own money but he was sure opeenning himself up to a lot of blackmail. Michigan mayor using peoples money and firing cops who were just doing their job.
 
Right on the money Buick.

Have you been watching the tar sands development. Seems a major oil company is developing the technology and now China wants to take over and build a pipeline to the West coast to supply China with their needs. Lot of fun ahead with that one.
 
Jury awards are routinely modified to bring them closer to reality instead of wild emotional amounts. I've been on several juries and many of the participants wanted revenge just because the company was an "evil corporation".There is very little logical thinking going on according to my own observations.

If you ever get arrested don't request a jury trial. They are full of idiots that don't want to be there.
 
I agree 100%. I don't like paying higher prices (then the recent past), nor do I want some private entity getting rich over it. That being said, cheap fuel is not anyone's right - unless they happen to own the resource. Some people on this forum have claimed it IS our right as Americans. That is scary and embarrassing at the same time.

The US has a history of getting too comfortable, falling behind, and then recovering at the last minute. It's worked so far, but can't work forever. We were totally unprepared at the outset of World War II with a weak military. We were unprepared with badly engineered autos when the Japanesse invasion took hold in the late 60s. We were caught off guard during the two fuel crunches during the 70s, but that lead to some quick innovation. We were collectively clueless when the World Trade Center, et. al. got hit - and we started playing catch up for awhile (which seems to be stagnating now with an impatient public), and here we are with high fuel prices. This has been envitable - but the "new" American spirit seems more-and-more - to be whining, instead of innovating.

The US has sat back and done virtually nothing to achieve energy independence. We could of done it much easier while oil was cheap. I add, there are many things individuals can do - yet very few have done it.
To do so as a country, we would - and hopefully will - make changes in infrastructure along with many other things that enable us to use less energy. But, long term fixes require short-term sacrifices - and again - is leading to whining instead of fixing.

If somehow the USA, or Canada was able to tap into a cheap oil resource - all it would do is delay us from pursuing a real fix with a long-term goal. Seems many individuals I know think only in short-term. So, why would a group of those people - grouped together to make a government - do any better?
 
Nothing less than $50.00. People are not likeing it, but by the time I pay fuel and a drivers time, at $50.00 min for 2 round trips, still loosing.
 
"I can understand "road tax" on fuel, but what's the basis for the heating oil vs. off-road diesel thing??? Did you ask the supplier?"




My understanding is that New York now taxes all ROAD and OFF ROAD fuel, to get your road tax back you have to file for a refund. New York is counting on people to NOT file for refunds and keep the taxes on fuel used off road. Buying it tax free as home heating fuel messes up their scheme.
 
I sympathize with you. And, particularly with those rural residents on a fixed (or very low wages) income who live miles and miles from jobs, stores, doctors, etc.

But, prices are determined by what people will pay.

My Grandfather thought a $1.00/Acre was a fair price for land in Reynolds County MO once, now folks pay $1,000 & up per acre.

My Uncle thought $0.75/day was a fair wage once, now folks expect $100.00 & up per day.

I remember gas at $0.19/gallon, but I see more cars/trucks/4x4s/motorcycles/ATVs/power boats/RVs/tractors/go-carts/power lawn equipment/etc. on the roads, fields, yards and waterways. Gas @ $3.00+/gallon & diesel @ $4.00+/gallon has not markedly reduced what people will pay for their transportation or their playthings.

And, I for one, may cut back a little, but I am not ready to forego my car, truck, tractors or lawn mower.

Now at $15/gallon, I might have to move to the city.
 
We should use much more nuclear power to generate elctricity. the liberals won't allow it yet it is widely used in Europe.

We should use much more coal to produce electricity. the liberals won't allow it.

we should be drilling in ANWR, which was set aside at the beginning for oil exploration. the liberals won't allow it.

We should use much more windpower for electricity. Ted Kennedy and other liberals stopped a massive wind farm 5 miles out in the ocean because he was afraid it would ruin the view from his yacht.

We should use much more hydroelectric power . the liberals won't allow it.

We have the solutions. Tell me who is stopping them?
 
Yeah well,we will see how wise you are.I think you will whine soon.I know people with trucks,you are fat and sassy,good food to eat.See how you eat when trucks cant haul your food to you.
That line you and the other guy put up might have worked for you in the past.Today it just shows what you are.
I know that at least since the 70s they have been trying to build an ethanol plant not far from here.Not done yet.There is a sign that the paints almost gone off of,but nothing else.
Who blocks this stuff?Theres not enough vegetable oil to run all these trucks.Mine uses 200 gallons a day.Where am I going to get it?Where are farmers going to get it for their tractors.We have to buy this inflated oil for a while yet.If its speculaters they should be punished.There is no excuse you or anybody else can give for this,and you know it.
Around here the ethanol plants were built by farmers.It takes millions of dollars to do that.Or wise one,should we all put windmills on our cars?Everybody cant afford to go buy a couple of Jettas.They dont make enough of them either.
Sure you make it sound real good.The truth is its killing us and you know it.
Tell me where I can get a paycheck from the oil companies for being on their side please.I did pump gas before so maybe I am still in their system?Like they say,cant beat em,join em.
 
Ray, you are the exception, you can go to any mall, Walmart, Kmart, Lowe's, Menards, etc. and the parking lot are full on any given Saturday or Sunday. I realize some of them are employees, but 80% of them are people who are wasting fuel to do their shopping, wasting another trip, They could have done that on the way home from work, any nite, most are open till at least 10 o'clock or 24 hours. Then when gas went up here, oh how they whine, give me a break. If these people cannot be organized enough to be able to do more than one task at a time, I do not feel sorry for them. I get so tired of hearing people whine about the cost of things and then they waste what they are complainng about being high! I drive about 40 miles a day in my personal truck, 6 days a week, get my business done on the way to or from work. Then my truck is nromally parked the 7th day. I choose to live where I do, I guess if it gets too bad, I then can choose to move closer to work!
Jim
 
They told you wrong. You can't use the heating oil in any internal combustion engine - road or off-road - that has been true since January.

But there is no law against putting the more expensive and higher taxed fuel - off-road dyed, or on-road ULSD into your heating oil tank. The laws are very easy to check.

What IS coming soon is the end of high-sulfur heating oil. At some point, all there will be is two versions - off-road dyed, and on-road clear - and both will be low sulfur.
 
Well . . . considering you get your facts from Willy Nelson - I'm not sure I dare challenge anything you say.

But, a few futile comments anyway:

You stated about me:
" you are fat and sassy,good food"

Just for the record, I'm 5'9" and weigh 155 lbs. Not exactly fat. And, any good food I eat I attribute to my wife and/or the insight we had to grow it.

You also said:
"See how you eat when trucks cant haul your food to you."

It would take a while before me or my family starved. We have food put up to last a year. Same with fuel, ammo, spare truck and tractor parts, etc. and we make our own electricity. But, a slow-down on trucking would certainly hurt since it would jack up prices. The truth is - we in the USA should not rely on over-the-road trucking. I live 1 mile from the railyard and 50 miles from a deep-water port.

You mentioned:
"they have been trying to build an ethanol plant not far from here.Not done yet."

Anybody with a working head on their shoulders knows there is no net-yield in producing ethanol and using it for a motor-fuel. It's a waste of time and resources.

You say:
"Theres not enough vegetable oil to run all these trucks.Mine uses 200 gallons a day.Where am I going to get it?"

The reality is, this country relies way too much on highway trucks for moving goods. It's is extremely wasteful when compared to rail or water shipping. Relying on trucking is a big problem in the U.S. Maybe you ought to look ahead for a different career. Maybe you can be a Op.Ed. columnist for the New York Times.

You pontificate further with:
"Or wise one,should we all put windmills on our cars?Everybody cant afford to go buy a couple of Jettas"

Why not? Have you tried to do anything useful? My wife and I make less than 50K a year total.
We've been saving for years but most of our investments are in the properties we own. We've raised four children who are now adults, and now have a new 4 year old who we are home-schooling. We have wind and solar power - mostly self-installed. And, the two diesel Jettas you mention? I paid $750 for the pair of them - and spent two winters fixing them up for my wife to use. If you can't afford $750 for two cars - maybe you ought to drive your truck more. Considering this in an old tractor forum, I assume there some people here that aren't afraid to fix up old stuff and use it.

You go on:
"Sure you make it sound real good."

It's not my intention to make it sound good. Working all the time on these things, and trying to scrounge stuff cheap is not all fun - nowhere close. It's not a hobby, it's a lifestyle that we've gotten used to.

I will also add that our way is not for everyone and I'm not trying to make it sound that way. I do, however, do my best to stay informed, look at the big picture, and plan ahead the best I can. It seems, you do not.

Maybe I need to call up Willy Nelson, roll a big joint, get stoned, and say the heck with it all. That is likely to be more fun.
 
Trucker 40 didn"t pass math class in school.
For Example:A wind turbine on a car? Ethanol will lower fuel prices? The auto industry can"t make enough diesel economy cars?
How is food delievered in Europe,Australia and Japan where fuel is higher priced?
How is food delievered to a majority of the world"s population were there is no interstate highway system. Few families even own a vehicle.
 
Most other countries fuel prices are based on their taxes which pays for their health insurance.
 
Bush signed an order allowing off road fuel use in on road vehicles as part of the fuel crunch, might see if that was ever lifted.
 
They say oil is up because of a very weak dollar and not supply which has been building for weeks. Who's to blame for a weel dollar?
 
The nnalert are in charge of the checkbook. You can figure it out from there. It was good before they came along.
 
Well I figured I would add my 2 cents. I watched an oil analyst on tv say that if Uncle Sam was not buying so much oil to put in the national reserves the price per barrel would come down considerably.
I spent last weekend doing research on the current oil prices. First there is no shortage of oil. If you have the money,you can buy as many barrels as you want.
The price that we see oil trading at on the world market is not the price that the refiners are paying. It is alot less. Oil bought on the spot market is also less expensive.
I work for a government agency and our fuel is bid. The low bidder over the years has been a traders group out of Indiana. I believe we pay .02 a gal. over the Rack price. The gas comes from different Racks depending on who has the lower price that day.
What I don't like is the fact that we give the oil companies huge tax breaks. And the fact that the oil companies want to control all forms of energy. They are buying Wind Rights, alternative fuel rights, coal rights and they are in to solar
energy. Once they control all of our energy needs we will be in deep doo doo.

By the way OPEC's web site claims that there is enough oil for the next 81 years.

OK I'm done!!!
 
jdemaris,
Alright you dont get what I am saying.I will try one last time to explain it.I think you are a good guy,I know you give good answers,so nothing there.However if we have a country here that depends on fuel,and we do,when does it get better?Im 53,I worked hard as well,never a new car,but I dont own imports,maybe that comes from my ironworker days.I came from a farm so I always look at that point of view.There is nothing good about whats going on right now.I dont like working hard in this country and trying to move forward and a bunch of rich guys acting like they are morons ruin all the advance forward we made.I really dont have an argument with you because its just your opinion.What makes me mad is they way you just put this out there like its fine that these rich guys did this,and make excuses for it.There is no excuse for it.
Then if I say anything you make me madder,I wont put up with it.I have a short fuse,maybe I react too quick and say stuff I shouldnt.
After saying all that,why would a trucker be interested in what Willy Nelson says?Bio Diesel.
You are not going to get away with spreading propaganda that ethanol doesnt work.Look around theres a discussion right on here about it yesterday.That plant thats been held up since the 70s was over politics.10 miles down the road theres one built by farmers thats OPERATIONAL.Yeah well,the farmers are doing something,the town politicians will never do anything unless they give it to ADM,might as well be Exxon.
You need to read what I said over there,and others.Its interesting and not full of arguments.
What Willie Nelson does in his personal life is no problem to me.He might just know a little bit more than you do about what he is saying,I know its hard for you to admit,but true.
I have my problems,but being dumb is not one of them.I raised kids too that are in their 30s.I never made lots of money.I just barely got by most of the time.
When I read what you say it seems like you are sticking your head in the sand.I dont like that,I want problems to be solved.I admit that we never are going to agree on that.I didnt work hard all of my life to make a better world for my kids and grandkids to live in to watch it torn up by people That act like they arent even from the USA.I am not going to stick my head in the sand and let you say its all just fine.
I think we can get along.What I am going to try and do is just not let it get to me(yeah right)maybe.
I think if you consider that what I say has every bit as much chance as being true as what you say,and stop trying to cut me down,I might not argue with you.Hopefully I will go to work sometime shortly and will be too tired to mess around with this.
You could learn from me,but I really dont care what you do,or think.
Maybe if you did some reading about what Brazil has done,cleaner air,30% ethanol,bio diesel,thats where we should be as well.If we have to grow sugar cane to get there,so be it.We have sugar cane now,its the waste that they use to make ethanol.
There is no reason for Diesel to be higher than gas.There is no reason for gas to be as high as it is.OPEC says there is oil and they found a bunch under North Dakota.
It is(prophesy)a bunch of people like ENRON,maybe even some of them from ENRON,that are causeing this.However this is not going to be solved and fixed because you dont think anythings wrong to start with.Watch your mouth.The other guy needs to watch his mouth too,dont have a handle.
I got sick and nearly died a couple of years ago and didnt even look at this for over a year,but I have been on here for 6 or more years without that 1 year while I was sick.My handle was Trucker,but somebody else somehow got it.I dont know if he posted stuff back then that has you jumping on me or not.I dont remember this being like this then.I dont even remember much argument at all until they closed that political forum.I never was in there and dont really come on here to get political,I am a mechanic/welder,not a psychiatrist.You all need to quit thinking you have the only opinion.You all might even consider that your opinion could get you punched in the nose.
Lots of people are suffering in this country,loss of jobs,war,crime,now this.
I have seen desperate people driving all over the country,another thing I can relate to Willie Nelson about,and I have family members that write country songs.
There is always room for improvement,but after Bill Clinton was elected president you could see the difference.The trees at Lake Ponchatrain Louisiana were burned back off the shore under George 1.2 years later they were green under Clinton.The life expectancy in Louisiana by the lake under George 1 was about 40 years old and going lower.There were roaming gangs of drug addicts living on the streets of New Orleans,after 3 or 4 years under Clinton they were gone.I think maybe even sooner than that.You dont know much,you maybe are a good guy,but watch your mouth.Clinton was far from perfect,and still makes me mad,but he was going forward.You enjoyed your life and fixed up tractors under Clinton,but even if they can get a nnalert elected this time,Carters presidency may look good to what this one can do with the mess they get handed.You may be done being able to fix tractors,but you might have to scrap some to eat.
I just used New Orleans as an example,every city,everywhere that I was at improved under Clinton.I live by Kansas City and its suffered under Bush.There is nearly no freight that pays worth hauling out of Kansas City any more,St Louis too,under Bush.I dont know how many jobs have been lost in Kansas City,but it appears to be a lot,with right to work Kansas next door,you need to speak Spanish to get around over there.Ohio has been destroyed job wise.I have forgotten how bad it was until you made me mad enough to think about it again.Just because somebody poured your head full of propaganda about how things are supposed to work does not make you an authority on anything.The no name needs to take notice as well.When this country is running the way its supposed to,it almost always is being run by nnalert,thats just how it is.Until you pull your head out of the sand so you can see it for yourself,you need to get a better control of your mouth,and see if you know what you are saying,and who you are saying it to.Until somebody else steps up and runs them off,the nnalert are the anti matter.I went to high school,was on the honor roll.There is matter,but in the other dimension there is anti matter,when they touch they explode and create a universe.
 
Nobody in their right mind would want to be a trucker in todays world.You need to be a Mexican to be a trucker nowdays.The thing is thats 8 million jobs for America.Trains dont go everywhere,and they dont haul food.I think you need to understand what you are saying about trucking.When you drive 2 million miles,and go out in the snow,and rain,tornados,hurricanes,and take 20 years off of your life to haul food to keep things working and so maybe you can save a few bucks and work on stuff in your spare time to keep your sanity,then you can talk about trucking.Until then you need to shut your mouth about it,and if you do say anything it needs to be a prayer for the ones that do it for us.
 
The reality is - you don't know a thing about me - yet you keeping making empty assumptions -about me and much around you.

You stated:

". . . go out in the snow,and rain,tornados,hurricanes,and take 20
years off of your life to haul food to keep things working and so maybe you can save a few
bucks and work on stuff in your spare time to keep your sanity,then you can talk about
trucking.Until then you need to shut your mouth about it . . ."

Well, I don't like talking about myself ad nauseum - but just to comment specifically - I will. I drove a big-rig in the late 60s for a garbage hauler and a moving company. I drove all over the county and our trucks were gas and diesel. Beside our Mack Thermodynes, we had one Autocar, and a few old Brockway and Ford gassers. I drove in all weather, and if I got a flat- I had to fix it myself - right there, on the spot.
Split rims and tire-irons. None of the trucks had AC, some barely had any heat, and I kept my lunch or dinner on the engine to get it warm. I also had to carry tire chains, and put them on and off quite a bit in the winter. The seats were rock hard - especially the Brockway "Adjust and Enjoy" seat that was like sitting on a milk crate (the Brockway seat has s decal on it that read Adjust and Enjoy). The "sleeper cab" was a six pack of beer and an old blanket and an unheated cab. We were a non-union shop and got paid cash, off the books. Early 70s, the Teamster's Union took over and I quit. Don't you tell me I don't know what it's like to drive a truck.

You also stated:

"What Willie Nelson does in his personal life is no problem to me.He might just know a little bit
more than you do about what he is saying,I know its hard for you to admit,but true."

The truth is NO, Willy is pretty much clueless - either that or he's an overt liar tryng to market his Willy-fuel. He's a great song-writer and I've been a long-time fan. My dad had a country-western band, and I used to play guitar in it. I don't care one iota what Willy does for fun - I had plenty of my own.
But - I watched many of his video-commercials he's made along with Daryl Hannah (blonde from Splash the mermaid movie). All BS. Daryl says she drives an 83 El Camino with an Olds diesel 350 and gets 60 MPG with Willy-fuel. She says it, so it must be true.
I spent many years as a diesel mechanic, and also spent a lot time getting educated - with hands-on trades and in academic settings. I don't know everything, but I do know a lot. Unlike you, I am pretty much aware of the many things I don't know.

You say:
"Maybe if you did some reading about what Brazil has done,cleaner air,30% ethanol,bio
diesel,thats where we should be as well.If we have to grow sugar cane to get there,so be it.We
have sugar cane now,its the waste that they use to make ethanol."

I suspect I know a heck of lot more about Brazil and their fuel program than you do. They've destroyed much of thier farm land and eco-system which will hurt them later. And, there is nowhere in the U.S. where sugar cane can be grown with enough net-yield to be worthwhile except in a few small areas of Flordia and Hawaii. In case you haven't noticed, out climate and soil overall is a bit different than Brazil.
I worked on several research projects related to the Brazil project and stay pretty current on exactly what they are doing.

You also say:

"Nobody in their right mind would want to be a trucker in todays world.You need to be a
Mexican to be a trucker nowdays"

Hey now - maybe we almost agree. I quit many years ago, and learned new skills to make a living. That being said, nothing wrong with driving a truck now if you can make money at it. Just take responsibility for being ready to do something else when necessary.
 
I said more than that and some of it was that I was not going to agree with you.I drove trucks with no air conditioner,and lots of other stuff.You dont get it.You still need to shut up,I saw another of your genius posts about fuel already today.Im not going on and on any more.You need to talk about tractors.You need to stop with your know it all attitude.Lots of things have changed since when you drove a truck,and it doesnt matter what you say.If the country was like it was in the 60s,we would be better off now,its the 70s that was the problem.Its been dragged to a new low.Since you are so smart,why cant you find out whats happening to the economy,whats wrong with cutting our dependence on imports?I dont know what you read,obviously propaganda,and you can get mad and scream and throw fits,but you need to shut up.Your buddies you are cheerleading for are a bunch of crooks.You are dumber every time you speak about it,and its going to change.Its not 4 years ago,its 2008.Its not hard to see whats happening.You are not going to get away with your propaganda about ethanol.In a couple of years diesel will still be 4 dollars and corn will be 3.You need to talk about the present,and what needs to change and why.Not how good it is to drag us back to the Nixon era and doing the same thing that caused double digit inflation.Ethanol will work,farmers can get more money for corn,but it wont be like this.Your buddies are destroying our economy.Now genious why is that smart?
 
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