I couldn't believe this.

[Caryc]

[b:daeae5ff21]Got into it with a guy on a gun forum about tractors. The subject of PTO’s came up. Below is what he posted.[/b:daeae5ff21]

The live PTO is much safer for running equipment like a brush hog or anything else that has momentum enough to "reverse power" the tractor through the PTO shaft. Once the equipment is spinning it is impossible to stop the tractor quickly without the live PTO.

[b:daeae5ff21]After that I responded that what he said was not true and that an ORC would take care of that problem. Below is what he came back with. How many of you believe that not even 1 out of 100 old POS Ford tractors equipped with brush use an ORC?[/b:daeae5ff21]

I am well aware of these "dog clutches" but if you suggest it to many people they just blow it off. I am willing to bet that not even 1 out of 100 of these old POS Ford tractors equipped with brush hogs are so equipped. The 8N is a good small tillage tractor, but I will [b:daeae5ff21]never[/b:daeae5ff21] suggest that anyone get one to mow with.

 

[Bruce (VA)]

Ignorance can be cured but stupid is forever.
50 Tips

 

[Beanmedic]

Ugh! Don't buy a gun from him either!!!

 

[Royse]

No need for an ORC, or a safety on a gun?
Mine have ORC's, so I guess the next 99 posters do not. :lol:

 

[Caryc]

Here is the actual thread this came from in case anybody wants to read it.

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1523265#1523265

 

[souNdguy]

just goes to show you that you can find people ignorant of facts everywhere.

i'd rekon most of the users of non live pto's here on this forum, that use a mower, likely use a orc. .. if not most.. then well more than 1%

you should send him a link to here.. let him do a search on orc....

 

[Anonymous-0]

I have orc on my 2N - wouldn't have it any other way!

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 19:24:36 06/08/12) just goes to show you that you can find people ignorant of facts everywhere.

i'd rekon most of the users of non live pto's here on this forum, that use a mower, likely use a orc. .. if not most.. then well more than 1%

you should send him a link to here.. let him do a search on orc....

I'll wait for a while to get some more replies and then send him a link to this thread. Although I don't think it will do any good. He's already got his facts. Not even 1 out of 100.

From what I've read over the years on this forum, the people that don't use an ORC are new tractor people that don't know what an ORC is or does. Once they find out, they are willing to get one. I know that's the way it was for me.

 

[souNdguy]

yep.. any time U se the tractor for a pto use that has inertial mass.. I use one. things like spreaders or augers.. don't need it..e tc.

I also sometimes use an orc on my tractors with ind pto and pto brakes... saves the brake...

 

[BillM (OH)]

ORC's on both my 8N's - aren't many out there that bush hog
or run other high inertia machines without them, I'll bet.

 

[JMOR]

(quoted from post at 23:14:29 06/08/12) ORC's on both my 8N's - aren't many out there that bush hog
or run other high inertia machines without them, I'll bet.

wouldn't worry about him..........if he runs an N with & another without ORC, he will see the light.
Probably just baiting you for a debate anyway....like others we have seen.

 

[OK8N]

I don't believe 1%, but perhaps 50%.

The two 8Ns I've purchased both came with brush hogs attached - one had an ORC and one didn't. The one that didn't was owned by the son of the original purchaser. I wonder when the first ORC was sold?

Oh yeah, I use the ORC.

 

[CJ in Michigan]

I used an ORC on my 8N with a brush hog FWIW until I got hold of an 881 with live pto. Worked OK, not perfect but certainly doable- I find my Ns are best for back-blading, skidding logs, snow plowing etc. but I've used them for tons of other stuff such as digging post holes, brush-hogging, pulling cables for dropping trees, lifting things with the 3 point lift. I like the lower center of gravity on them- a great 'can-do' tractor.

 

[NoNewParts]

around here, most of the farms are big and use BIG
equipment.
Little N's have been regulated to mowing duties.
Most, if not all, N's I buy or look at
are covered in grass/chaff and have a beat up
ORC on the rear.
(sigh, which also means a tired motor/PTO. constantly cutting
deep grass in high summer is hard work for any tractor)

recently traded a 51 8N to a small dealer. He asked me to put
a ORC on before I brought it over. He said it would sell very quickly
with a ORC and one of his brush mowers attached. It did.

 

[old-9]

Don't bring up politics with this guy! dem?

 

[Tom Beddard ENC]

The best way to show him is to put on a tractor wiyhout one & realize you are too close to a ditch!!! Happened to
me when I was a kid, you can t stand on that brake
hard enough. It will get your attention.

 

[Stovepipe]

(quoted from post at 04:25:39 06/09/12) The best way to show him is to put on a tractor wiyhout one & realize you are too close to a ditch!!! Happened to
me when I was a kid, you can t stand on that brake
hard enough. It will get your attention.

OK, I'm new to old tractors- what's an ORC?

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 10:37:21 06/09/12)

(quoted from post at 04:25:39 06/09/12) The best way to show him is to put on a tractor wiyhout one & realize you are too close to a ditch!!! Happened to
me when I was a kid, you can t stand on that brake
hard enough. It will get your attention.

OK, I'm new to old tractors- what's an ORC?

It's an over running clutch or over riding clutch. Without one the continued momentum of the spinning brush blades will continue to turn your PTO even with your clutch in. This in turn drives your rear wheels to you can't stop the tractor quickly.

The ORC does not transfer mower shaft movement to your PTO.

 

[Jim in Eastern North Caro]

Seems like (many years ago) I mowed on the 8N without an ORC, and became adept a shifting into neutral to avoid being pushed by the bushhog. Does that work or am I not remembering correctly?

After learning what they did, I finally added an ORC and have been using that for a long time.

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 17:34:34 06/09/12) Seems like (many years ago) I mowed on the 8N without an ORC, and became adept a shifting into neutral to avoid being pushed by the bushhog. Does that work or am I not remembering correctly?

After learning what they did, I finally added an ORC and have been using that for a long time.

Yes, putting the trans in neutral will stop the momentum. But unfortunately most first timers are too excited when they see they are about to run into something or over a cliff to think about that. They are too busy jamming on the breaks which don't do much. Nearly every bad thing that can happen on a tractor happens very fast. That's why so many people are hurt and killed by them.

 

[greyfoxxca]

When I bought my first 9n i looked for a mower and went with a flail type. No over running clutch needed.
no problems ever

I now have a sickle mower set up and the same applies.

If you get a monster bush hog , get the safety equipment with it. All the dealers I talked to mentioned the clutch issue.
When I was looking at the rough cut mowers I always priced the over running clutch in and never when with one.

I would guess a 5 foot 3 blade finishing mower would not be a problem , a little brake would stop the tractor fine.


mowing is one of the job a little n tractor can perform better than the crap bought for $2000 from the hardware stores.

a 9n and a finishing mower(or flail) if taken care will likely last an acreage owner his lifetime.

George

 

[Dave in De]

we use a 2n and 2, 8n's to mow our hunting property. 600+ acres mowing ditches and field edges and all 3 use an orc. would not run without one.

 

[oldtanker]

My question is if no one uses them why do Farm and Fleet, Fleet Farm, TSC and other similar stores all carry them in stock? I mean why in the heck would you carry something that no one will buy??????

Rick

 

[Caryc]

I think the guy I got into it with gave up. I guess he knows he can't really defend his "not even one out of a hundred" statistics.

 

[W_B]

Yep, have them on both of my Ns, even though the 9N is just on manure spreader duty.

 

[Stovepipe]

(quoted from post at 10:49:38 06/09/12)

(quoted from post at 10:37:21 06/09/12)

(quoted from post at 04:25:39 06/09/12) The best way to show him is to put on a tractor wiyhout one & realize you are too close to a ditch!!! Happened to
me when I was a kid, you can t stand on that brake
hard enough. It will get your attention.

OK, I'm new to old tractors- what's an ORC?

It's an over running clutch or over riding clutch. Without one the continued momentum of the spinning brush blades will continue to turn your PTO even with your clutch in. This in turn drives your rear wheels to you can't stop the tractor quickly.

The ORC does not transfer mower shaft movement to your PTO.

Thanks for the answer.

 

[TomN]

I had an 8n almost push me over a bank... Even though only 540 rpm, there is enough inertia to move tractor forward many many feet.... Especially dangerous trimming out fields, where a tree branch can knock you off the machine... I bounced off a rock real hard last year.. I now have a 640... and YES... it has a clutch... a MUST have... press clutch... tractor stops... blades free-spin....