IH 574 cranks for 1 second then dies.

[HobbyFarmer89]

I was pulling a heavy tree and the tractor immediately died. I was able to start it up but the throttle would not work and it had zero power. Now it cranks for a second then immediately dies while spewing a lot of black smoke. I recently changed the oil, hydraulic fluid and fuel filters. Air filter needs to be replaced but I m stumped at where to start to find the issue.

 

[Steve@Advance]

Sounds like a blocked air intake.

Try removing the air filter element, or the hose to the intake, make sure
the passage is open. Could be something sucked in like a rodent nest.

 

[crsutton81]

I'm assuming that it has a diesel engine. I would remove the metal fuel supply line that feeds into the top of the front filter and ensure there is a really good flow of fuel getting to the filters. I have had instances where a piece of trash or rust flake would cover the supply hole in the bottom of the tank. Take a air blow nozzle and blow back into the tank to ensure it's clear. Another thing is there is a cross over line to supply fuel to the filter supply port side of tank once the tank is half full or less. It could be plugged and allowing it to run out of fuel. Also I would check and see if the fuel shutoff cable has come loose on the injection pump and slipped not allowing it to open the lever enough on the pump for proper fuel delivery.

 

[used red MN]

2x on what Steve said. Did you pull hard enough to raise up the front end and bump it down? That may have dislodged the nest and allowed it to move and block the intake, may have also been a bird nest.

 

[HobbyFarmer89]

(quoted from post at 12:24:37 06/18/23) Sounds like a blocked air intake.

Try removing the air filter element, or the hose to the intake, make sure
the passage is open. Could be something sucked in like a rodent nest.

I took apart the air system, cleaned it out but still no dice. Will replace the filter today.

This is a gas engine if that affects anything being said so far. I drained the gas out of the fuel line when I changed the filters. Afraid I did something wrong there. It used to crank but had no power but now it won t stay cranked.

 

[crsutton81]

Being it has a gas engine changes things. I would check to see if the carb float has stuck the float needle shut after the gas system was drained. I have had ethanol gas swell the float needle after it was exposed to air. The next possibility could be the fuel shut-off solenoid ( item 3 in picture) could be acting up and not allowing enough fuel to the load circuit in the carb.

 

[HobbyFarmer89]

(quoted from post at 15:32:59 06/19/23)
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Being it has a gas engine changes things. I would check to see if the carb float has stuck the float needle shut after the gas system was drained. I have had ethanol gas swell the float needle after it was exposed to air. The next possibility could be the fuel shut-off solenoid ( item 3 in picture) could be acting up and not allowing enough fuel to the load circuit in the carb.

I should have led with the important info but it s also a fuel injected engine so there is no carb. A carb would be much easier in this situation, at least for me.

This post was edited by HobbyFarmer89 on 06/19/2023 at 09:45 pm.

 

[derwen1959]

Thats a diesel injection pump

You are putting gasoline in a Diesel engine

 

[crsutton81]

Be sure the lower lever on the injection
pump moves when the stop / start / run
lever under the steering wheel is moved.
If it has slipped on the cable it will
start and run momentarily when the IP
lever is retracted to the start position
but have no power or run smoothly. Cable
could be broken.

 

[used red MN]

Hobby, hope you come back and tell us if you have
actually put gasoline in a diesel engine. If you did this
the people on here can help you get your tractor back
into running condition in the most economical way. I
will warn you that running gasoline through a diesel
injection pump is not very good for it. Also there are
parts for the injection pumps in some of the models in
the genre of your tractor that are difficult to find if not
nonexistent. Please come back with a reply here so we
can help you out. Many posters have came here
posting about mistakes they have made and have
stuck around for the knowledgeable support that can
be given here.

 

[HobbyFarmer89]

(quoted from post at 17:06:48 06/20/23) Hobby, hope you come back and tell us if you have
actually put gasoline in a diesel engine. If you did this
the people on here can help you get your tractor back
into running condition in the most economical way. I
will warn you that running gasoline through a diesel
injection pump is not very good for it. Also there are
parts for the injection pumps in some of the models in
the genre of your tractor that are difficult to find if not
nonexistent. Please come back with a reply here so we
can help you out. Many posters have came here
posting about mistakes they have made and have
stuck around for the knowledgeable support that can
be given here.

Howdy. I will say I am a bit embarrassed by my mistake BUT I ve drained all the gas out and replaced it with diesel. Now there s the issue of getting it to crank again. Looking forward to your tips. Please have mercy on me.

 

[crsutton81]

Ooookay..so if I am reading this
correctly you did fill the fuel tank on a
diesel engine tractor
with...gasoline...,if so it is like the
movie Forrest Gump and $h@t happens. Here
is what I would do to get it going again
as it has seemed to me the whole time you
have had a lack of fuel issue. I'm going
to treat this case as if one of my
employees totally ran one of these
tractors out of fuel, which you've done.

#1, obtain a new set of fuel filters and
all 5 washers and O-rings per filter if
you have the cartridge style filter with
the glass bowl on the bottom. There is a
fiber washer under the acorn nut on top
of the housing that holds the filter stem
on. They never come in the filter kit.
Request to get 2 of them from your
dealer.

#2,These tractors have a gravity flow
fuel delivery system. No pump to supply
the Inj pump. Jack up the left rear wheel
and remove the supply fuel line on top of
the forward fuel filter housing and let
the tank totally drain, as the supply
port is located on the right side of the
tractor. Maybe this procedure will get
any contaminated fuel to drain out.Once
finished draining, I would pour another 5
gals of DIESEL in and let that drain
also. Dilution is going to be the fix for
the pollution.

#3, replace both the fuel filters and all
O-rings / washers.

#4, temporarily reconnect fuel supply
line to the filter housing. Refill
tractor full of diesel fuel. Holds
approximately 20 gallons. The more fuel
in the tank, the easier it is to bleed
air from the system.

#5, with all valves open under the tank,
start the bleeding process. Ensure there
is a full pipe full of fuel being
supplied to the filter housing. If not,
take an air blow gun and blow backwards
into the tank to clear and obstruction.
Retighten the supply line to the filter
housing once satisfied there is a really
good flow available to the filters. Take
a 10mm wrench and loosen the bleeder
screw on the top rear of filter base. You
should see the front filter and glass
fill 1st. The rear filter will fill last.
Allow fuel to flow from bleeder until no
air bubbles are seen, then retighten the
bleeder screw.

#6, sitting in the seat, go to the left
side of tractor where the injection pump
is. There is a large steel line that is
bent in a 90 degree angle coming upwards
from under the alternator. It has a banjo
style bolt to attach it to the side of
the pump. Loosen the bolt immensely and
allow fuel / air to free flow until you
are satisfied it has pure fuel with no
air going to the injection pump.
Retighten after done.

#7, Loosen and repeat the same process of
step #6 for the large steel line on TOP
of the pump. It is running horizontal
going to the rear of the tractor. This is
the return line for the system.

#8, I have never had to Loosen the lines
from each injector nozzle unless they
were getting replaced, but it may be
beneficial in this instance to help speed
the process of getting contaminated fuel
out where it will start and run. Loosen
all 4 lines at the injectors and with the
kill cable set at least to the start
position, allow the engine to spin over.
If it does start and want to run, move
the kill lever to the run position
and retighten each injector one by one. A
smalllll dose of either may be your
friend in this stage of the game. Once
running, let the engine run at 12 to 1500
rpm for 5 to 10 minutes to finish purging
out any air. Hope this helps.

 

[HobbyFarmer89]

Thank you everyone for your help. Happy to announce that it is finally running. Drained all the gas and added diesel but still wouldn t run so I cracked two of the injection lines at the engine to move some of the old gas or air and it started right up.