It appears water may be separating ethonal

[paul]

I’d rather buy E15 fuel and have a better over all performance/ efficiency/ value on a modern engine. And enjoy my day.

Paul

 

[MarkB_MI]

I'm pretty sure you'd end up with gasoline that had BOTH water and ethanol in it. Remember, there's no such thing as 'pure' gasoline; gasoline is a blend of many compounds, some of which have an affinity for water and/or ethanol.

 

[Geo-TH,In]

No, but George's "top tier" Cadillac might...

Jim
Sounds to me you are jealous of my top tier Caddy.
Jealousy doesn't look well on you.
What do you drive?
I'm not a Ford guy. My BIL had a ford spit spark plugs out.
I want comfort and economy for my old bones over anything else..

 

[Geo-TH,In]

Does an engine with 6:1 compression ratio care?

GM 3.6L V6 LLT Engine Specs;Compression ratio: 11.3:1:

 

[Mike(NEOhio)]

This argument shows up regularly in this forum but personally I never had a problem with E10. The pump labels state a maximum of 10% so what is it really? Remember what used to be called "dry gas". Basically alcohol, add it if you got water in your tank. What did it do? Alcohol lowers the surface tension of water allowing it to be absorbed and move through the fuel system. So I wonder why the big question about E blends.

 

[JMOR]

This argument shows up regularly in this forum but personally I never had a problem with E10. The pump labels state a maximum of 10% so what is it really? Remember what used to be called "dry gas". Basically alcohol, add it if you got water in your tank. What did it do? Alcohol lowers the surface tension of water allowing it to be absorbed and move through the fuel system. So I wonder why the big question about E blends.

It turns to 'jello'/snot in a tank exposed to air and sitting for months right along with rust and damages fuel system.. Fine for your daily driver with sealed tank, and components designed for ethanol, just not 75 year old, seldom run tractors, rototillers, etc. I'm not just repeating stuff other posters put out here......been there, had the experience, first hand!

 

[jimg.allentown]

Jim
Sounds to me you are jealous of my top tier Caddy.
Jealousy doesn't look well on you.
What do you drive?

Jealous? No. I have owned a Cadillac, and I didn't like it. As a used car reconditioning mechanic at a luxury car dealer, I had to test drive many Cadillacs. Never did like them. I don't like the way they ride, I don't like the way they handle, and in general they are a PITA to work on. They are also GM's experimental brand.
I'm a Ford man through to the core. I drive a Ford. I also don't brag about my wealth on forums. AND, I think all of that "top tier" stuff is just so much snoke and mirrors. Any car that can be potentially damaged by commonly available pump gas is a piece of junk in my opinion. I'm glad that you enjoy yours, and after a while I get sick of reading about it.

 

[JMOR]

Jealous? No. I have owned a Cadillac, and I didn't like it. As a used car reconditioning mechanic at a luxury car dealer, I had to test drive many Cadillacs. Never did like them. I don't like the way they ride, I don't like the way they handle, and in general they are a PITA to work on. They are also GM's experimental brand.
I'm a Ford man through to the core. I drive a Ford. I also don't brag about my wealth on forums. AND, I think all of that "top tier" stuff is just so much snoke and mirrors. Any car that can be potentially damaged by commonly available pump gas is a piece of junk in my opinion. I'm glad that you enjoy yours, and after a while I get sick of reading about it.

You are proud of your Fords & he is proud of his car...............let it be

 

[jimg.allentown]

You are proud of your Fords & he is proud of his car...............let it be

When you poke the bear, some times the bear pokes back.

 

[DoubleO7]

So what was/is the reasoning for the purchase of this testing kit thingy?

 

[NDIHC]

So what was/is the reasoning for the purchase of this testing kit thingy?

In my job we use a similar tester. Ours hapens to be made by BG. We use it to test for ethanol content if we get a car in with lean mixture codes. Anything over 15% will throw lean codes in the brand I work on. Our kit also tests specific gravity so we can tell if the fuel is a gas/diesel or other fuel mixture. You'd be surprised how many people put in the wrong fuel (like e30 or e85 in a non-flex fuel car or diesel in a gas car), or a gas station gets a load of jet fuel or something else in the unleaded tank. I don't see the test kit to be very useful in a day to day consumer application. I might use ours 10 times one month, then not use it for the next 6 months.

 

[Texasmark]

It turns to 'jello'/snot in a tank exposed to air and sitting for months right along with rust and damages fuel system.. Fine for your daily driver with sealed tank, and components designed for ethanol, just not 75 year old, seldom run tractors, rototillers, etc. I'm not just repeating stuff other posters put out here......been there, had the experience, first hand!

I had a boat with a built in tank for about 7 years. Somewhere along the way I got to worrying about water in the tank. I bought a bottle of "snake oil" that was supposed to capture the water and allow it to be mixed with the fuel and get rid of it.
So one day, out in the middle of Lake Tawakoni, I'm blasting along and the engine just shut down. After some time trying to find the cause, I disconnected the fuel line from the engine and removed the connector on the hose. What came out of the fuel line with my pumping the bulb was "It turns to 'jello'/snot in a tank exposed to air".

 

[Geo-TH,In]

So what was/is the reasoning for the purchase of this testing kit thingy?

OO7

So what was/is the reasoning for the purchase of this testing kit thingy?

I read that Shell gas is ethanol Free.
My sister only used shell premium in her boat claiming it is ethanol free.
Next fishing trip I plan to test Shell gas.
I read that ethanol is used to raise octane levels.
e10 is 84 octane plus 10% ethanol to make it 87 octane.
So all e10 is made from the cheap stull 84 octane.
I read someplace the EPA mandated ethanol in some areas.
That is all I have to say about that.

 

[DoubleO7]

My sister only used shell premium in her boat claiming it is ethanol free.

At one time Shell V-Power premium gasoline contained zero ethanol for a few years then it went to 5% max ethanol.
And it then went to 10% max. ethanol sometime in 2021/22 for North America.

 

[jimg.allentown]

Jim
Sounds to me you are jealous of my top tier Caddy.
Jealousy doesn't look well on you.
What do you drive?
I'm not a Ford guy. My BIL had a ford spit spark plugs out.
I want comfort and economy for my old bones over anything else..View attachment 90292

Well, George, you can be a Beta tester for GM if you like.
The thing with the spark plugs was only on a certain engine that was only used for a few years, and was long ago corrected. Don't try to make it sound like ALL Fords spit out spark plugs.
I'm glad you like your Cadillac. That is why you bought it. If I wanted one, I would buy one. I'm not the jealous type. I just get a bit tired of the bragging.
One thing is certain. I can't buy groceries with your money. I can't buy a car with your money. I can't buy a house with your money. So, why should I be jealous? I have plenty to eat, a car that I like, and a paid for house. Why would I want your things? I've been to Indiana. I didn't leave anythng there. It's all yours!

So, have a nice day

 

[NDIHC]

At one time Shell V-Power premium gasoline contained zero ethanol for a few years then it went to 5% max ethanol.
And it then went to 10% max. ethanol sometime in 2021/22 for North America.

Must be a regional thing or something. We have 1 shell station that sells E10 87 octane, E10 89 octane and Zero ethanol V-Power Nitro premium 91 octane. Another Shell has E10 87 octane, zero ethanol 87 octane and zero ethanol V-Power Nitro premium 91 octane. The two stations are about 2 or 3 miles apart.

 

[joeysmith]

Must be a regional thing or something. We have 1 shell station that sells E10 87 octane, E10 89 octane and Zero ethanol V-Power Nitro premium 91 octane. Another Shell has E10 87 octane, zero ethanol 87 octane and zero ethanol V-Power Nitro premium 91 octane. The two stations are about 2 or 3 miles apart.

I think it's an air quality thing
So many days a year in an area over a certain air quality threshold they mandate "cleaner" burning gas

 

[NDIHC]

I think it's an air quality thing
So many days a year in an area over a certain air quality threshold they mandate "cleaner" burning gas

That's one thing about ND. We have excellent air quality, except for the smoke from western and canadian wildfires. Even with our coal fired power plants and everyone driving pickups and suvs.

 

[Janicholson]

That's one thing about ND. We have excellent air quality, except for the smoke from western and canadian wildfires. Even with our coal fired power plants and everyone driving pickups and suvs.

Population density is also a factor. ND is not the front range of CO. Jim

 

[NDIHC]

Population density is also a factor. ND is not the front range of CO. Jim

I'd think that would go without saying. Intended to be a little tongue in cheek. Also, I enjoy living where the next human is at least a half mile from me.