It is amazing how naive some people are!!! Long rant.

[4wdtom]

Hobo and Mule Meat and......

Need to have a sign with that hanging in their shop.

Yeah, a sign with that is on my list of things for the shop.

 

[Texasmark]

The man was out of his element making decisions in an area where he lacked expertise. All of here if in a similar situation would make errors. Last Saturday I continued to find out how little I know about horses and riding. The fellow's fault was letting himself be too emotional, eager, proud to follow your advice. Just about everybody here made the same mistakes purchasing thier first vehicle, tractor or wife/girlfriend.

My first vehicle was a used 1947 Chevy P/U. It was the end of the summer after HS graduation where I had worked on tug boats to earn good money. I saw it and immediately fell in love with it, buying it. The oil was black so that was the first thing I changed. Upon firing it up in dad's garage, I had to leave the building to be able to breathe.......you guessed why. We do make mistakes for our own reasons.........

 

[Geo-TH,In]

Since the thread has been dredged up, it would be interesting to find out what happened.

It's not like he paid the full $22,000 for the tractor. At $13,000 there was some wiggle room to repair a lot of those problems. An engine overhaul wouldn't be in the cards but if it's got good oil pressure you can buy a lot of 15W40 and ether.

...and now 12 years later the values of these tractors has only gone up. Plus he'd have 12 years' use out of the tractor.

What's the purpose of a 12 year old posts??

 

[Hobo,NC]

From a book abut machinists 125 years ago, "If any man with an education, the highest that books and teachers can give, imagines that mechanics are without education because they lack his kind, let him go into some work shop and try to do some of the things he sees being done". Your highly educated (in one field) friend just purchased some education in another field, and it sounds like he can afford it. Maybe next time he won't think he knows it all.

I am lucky I have customers folks would kill for. They know who runs this show : ) I love them to much to put them down. Remember everyone you meet knows something you don't know. The ones that can look up something on a cell phone faster than I can are the ones that get under my skin, our relation does not last long.

 

[Jim in LA]

I have a customer that is a real nice guy but is totally mechanically illiterate. He has had trouble changing his motor oil. HE is a genius with computer network systems. He makes a six digit salary doing that. I do a lot of repair work from him. He has a small farm and likes to play around.

He has been looking for a 100 hp plus cab tractor. I told him I would go look at any tractor he was interested in within easy driving distance. FREE just friends enjoying a day off. I did not want him to get took to the cleaners.

He found this JD 4440 in southern Missouri. It was kind of far away but we could drive down and back in a long day. I told him to get the serial number so I could run it and find out what I could on the ownership trail of this tractor. He did that. This tractor has had ten different recorded owners. Plus who knows how many more. It started out in Arkansas rice country. Then it went to a sugar cane plantation in Florida. Then to Mississippi on a cotton farm. Could not track who owned it in the last ten years but it did migrate to Missouri. I told him I would pass on this tractor if it where me. Too many owners and many of them in farming areas known for rough equipment.

Well guess what??? He and the wife went down last week so he could look at the tractor. They wanted to spend the night in St. Louis and see the sites. That is fine. He drove the tractor and just thought it was the greatest thing and a real "STEAL". The only thing he could see wrong was it would not stay in "D" range and would pop out of reverse in all gears. (Quad range tractor) The tractor jockey who owned it told him it just needed adjusting and he would knock off $500 so my guy could just have it done locally. My guy jumped all over this "DEAL". He paid $13000 and some change for this 1979 JD 4440 with unknown hours and history. ( Real clean local few owner JD 4440s are bringing $20k-22K). He even paid the jockey $1500 to deliver it 300 miles. What a good friendly guy!!! NOT

So this jem was delivered last Thursday while my guy was at work. His wife had the truck driver park it in their machinery shed. My guy called and said he would bring it over to me Saturday morning. He called me at 11 am Sat. told me he could not get the tractor to start. Asked me to come over.

Well here is what I have found so far:

1) Reason for not starting: one battery not two.
2) Small car battery cables not even close to enough for a diesel motor.
3) Stater motor has the lead melted out of the armature and the brushes are worn clear into the holders.
4) No engine air filter in the canister. Smell of ether is strong.
5) No AC compressor or lines from the cab. They have been cut off right behind the starter. Did not even bother looking on the cab top.
6) Wood block jambed under the rock shaft to keep the three point arms up. No hydraulic pressure or flow to the rear of the tractor. Steering and brakes only. Checked pressure/flow in front of the priority valve. 900 psi and 5 gpm flow.
7) Drained the hydraulic fluid(stuff)out. Looks like used motor oil to me. It is BLACK as coal and smells like diesel fuel. No hydraulic filter or sump screen in the tractor. So what ever was in the sump is going straight to the hydraulic pump.
8) Removed the rock shaft housing so I could look down into the transmission. "D" range shift collar and gear are shot. These gears are on the pinion shaft. Reverse collar is cracked. So to fix it right you have to take the whole transmission apart. Including both final drives.
9) Almost forgot: Engine has low compression on all cylinders. Rod and main bearing all are showing copper.

The good things about this JD 4440:
1) One of the best paint jobs I have ever seen. Does not seem to be any Bondo used either.
2) Brand new cab interior and seat cushions. (does have a wooden block under the seat to hold it up. No hydraulic pressure to work the seat)
3) Good tires. They are mates and have 80% tread.

So I had my guy bring his purchase agreement over. Guess how it is worded?? States clear as a bell that the tractor is sold AS-IS with transmission/hydraulic trouble. Plus non-working AC system. I asked my guy about this. He said the seller told him that was how he had to do it because the transmission adjustment was a transmission repair issue. Was told the AC just needed topped off come spring. My guy signed it with two witnesses to that fact. I found that unusual too but seller told my guy it was how Missouri law made him do it.

I just did a rough estimate on the engine/transmission/hydraulic repairs. It could easily get to 15-20K. Even then I am not sure if everything would be right. This tractor to me should have been a parts tractor.

My guys is sick over his. His wife is furious at him and the seller. He is going to talk to a lawyer tomorrow morning. I think he is out of luck as he signed a purchase agreement that clearly states that it was sold with problems and was AS-IS. It has been a long time since I have seen a con job this bad on someone. I am mystified how a guy as smart as this could not see any of the red flags that where there to be seen???

I am afraid he is going to be out a lot of money either way. If he tries to fix all that is wrong I am not sure what it would cost. The hydraulic system could be totally shot. The AC system is just about total junk. The engine overhaul could get real bad if the cam is bad and injection system need totally rebuilt. I really don't want to tackle all of these problems this late in the winter. This could take a month of solid work to get going. Any of you guys want a Shiny JD 4440????

Disregard

 

[Hobo,NC]

I have a customer that is a real nice guy but is totally mechanically illiterate. He has had trouble changing his motor oil. HE is a genius with computer network systems. He makes a six digit salary doing that. I do a lot of repair work from him. He has a small farm and likes to play around.

He has been looking for a 100 hp plus cab tractor. I told him I would go look at any tractor he was interested in within easy driving distance. FREE just friends enjoying a day off. I did not want him to get took to the cleaners.

He found this JD 4440 in southern Missouri. It was kind of far away but we could drive down and back in a long day. I told him to get the serial number so I could run it and find out what I could on the ownership trail of this tractor. He did that. This tractor has had ten different recorded owners. Plus who knows how many more. It started out in Arkansas rice country. Then it went to a sugar cane plantation in Florida. Then to Mississippi on a cotton farm. Could not track who owned it in the last ten years but it did migrate to Missouri. I told him I would pass on this tractor if it where me. Too many owners and many of them in farming areas known for rough equipment.

Well guess what??? He and the wife went down last week so he could look at the tractor. They wanted to spend the night in St. Louis and see the sites. That is fine. He drove the tractor and just thought it was the greatest thing and a real "STEAL". The only thing he could see wrong was it would not stay in "D" range and would pop out of reverse in all gears. (Quad range tractor) The tractor jockey who owned it told him it just needed adjusting and he would knock off $500 so my guy could just have it done locally. My guy jumped all over this "DEAL". He paid $13000 and some change for this 1979 JD 4440 with unknown hours and history. ( Real clean local few owner JD 4440s are bringing $20k-22K). He even paid the jockey $1500 to deliver it 300 miles. What a good friendly guy!!! NOT

So this jem was delivered last Thursday while my guy was at work. His wife had the truck driver park it in their machinery shed. My guy called and said he would bring it over to me Saturday morning. He called me at 11 am Sat. told me he could not get the tractor to start. Asked me to come over.

Well here is what I have found so far:

1) Reason for not starting: one battery not two.
2) Small car battery cables not even close to enough for a diesel motor.
3) Stater motor has the lead melted out of the armature and the brushes are worn clear into the holders.
4) No engine air filter in the canister. Smell of ether is strong.
5) No AC compressor or lines from the cab. They have been cut off right behind the starter. Did not even bother looking on the cab top.
6) Wood block jambed under the rock shaft to keep the three point arms up. No hydraulic pressure or flow to the rear of the tractor. Steering and brakes only. Checked pressure/flow in front of the priority valve. 900 psi and 5 gpm flow.
7) Drained the hydraulic fluid(stuff)out. Looks like used motor oil to me. It is BLACK as coal and smells like diesel fuel. No hydraulic filter or sump screen in the tractor. So what ever was in the sump is going straight to the hydraulic pump.
8) Removed the rock shaft housing so I could look down into the transmission. "D" range shift collar and gear are shot. These gears are on the pinion shaft. Reverse collar is cracked. So to fix it right you have to take the whole transmission apart. Including both final drives.
9) Almost forgot: Engine has low compression on all cylinders. Rod and main bearing all are showing copper.

The good things about this JD 4440:
1) One of the best paint jobs I have ever seen. Does not seem to be any Bondo used either.
2) Brand new cab interior and seat cushions. (does have a wooden block under the seat to hold it up. No hydraulic pressure to work the seat)
3) Good tires. They are mates and have 80% tread.

So I had my guy bring his purchase agreement over. Guess how it is worded?? States clear as a bell that the tractor is sold AS-IS with transmission/hydraulic trouble. Plus non-working AC system. I asked my guy about this. He said the seller told him that was how he had to do it because the transmission adjustment was a transmission repair issue. Was told the AC just needed topped off come spring. My guy signed it with two witnesses to that fact. I found that unusual too but seller told my guy it was how Missouri law made him do it.

I just did a rough estimate on the engine/transmission/hydraulic repairs. It could easily get to 15-20K. Even then I am not sure if everything would be right. This tractor to me should have been a parts tractor.

My guys is sick over his. His wife is furious at him and the seller. He is going to talk to a lawyer tomorrow morning. I think he is out of luck as he signed a purchase agreement that clearly states that it was sold with problems and was AS-IS. It has been a long time since I have seen a con job this bad on someone. I am mystified how a guy as smart as this could not see any of the red flags that where there to be seen???

I am afraid he is going to be out a lot of money either way. If he tries to fix all that is wrong I am not sure what it would cost. The hydraulic system could be totally shot. The AC system is just about total junk. The engine overhaul could get real bad if the cam is bad and injection system need totally rebuilt. I really don't want to tackle all of these problems this late in the winter. This could take a month of solid work to get going. Any of you guys want a Shiny JD 4440???? LOL

I could not remember where I seen this post I did post a link to a parts tractor this morning.

 

[Crazy Horse]

it dont suprise me, was just talking about some school teachers. they may be book smart but just stupid at everyday life.

Rusty ..... Don't forget "some" plumbers, truck drivers, lawyers, retail clerks and 101 other occupations that you should've/could've listed. Oops, including some farmers too. By the way, your English teacher must have been one of those you refer to. He/she forgot to teach you to capitalize the first word in a sentence and to use an apostrophe when using "conjunctions". Finally, it should be doesn't (does not) instead of don't (do not). There ya go, a little help for Rusty who should have paid more attention in school !!

Those &$^%@*&#* teachers !!!!!

 

[Crazy Horse]

Rusty ..... Don't forget "some" plumbers, truck drivers, lawyers, retail clerks and 101 other occupations that you should've/could've listed. Oops, including some farmers too. By the way, your English teacher must have been one of those you refer to. He/she forgot to teach you to capitalize the first word in a sentence and to use an apostrophe when using "conjunctions". Finally, it should be doesn't (does not) instead of don't (do not). There ya go, a little help for Rusty who should have paid more attention in school !!

Those &$^%@*&#* teachers !!!!!

Oops, you spelled surprise wrong too (not to or two). Ha, I just noticed this thread started over 12 year ago. Half the guys might be dead ....

 

[NY 986]

I don't see a problem with digging up this thread if somebody wants to contribute to it or gather information. What may not interest one person may greatly interest another.

 

[Crazy Horse]

I don't see a problem with digging up this thread if somebody wants to contribute to it or gather information. What may not interest one person may greatly interest another.

Not sure who you were replying to NY, remember I didn't say I had a problem with it, I just mentioned it. Actually, it's interesting .... lots of stories.

 

[DoubleO7]

@Crazy Horse
He made a general comment from the bottom of the discussion page.
He quoted no one and replied to no one, just a comment on the discussion.
Even if you have quotes turned off AND the faux Classic View turned on, you can see his reply is not indented under anyone's reply.

 

[jm.]

I have a customer that is a real nice guy but is totally mechanically illiterate. He has had trouble changing his motor oil. HE is a genius with computer network systems. He makes a six digit salary doing that. I do a lot of repair work from him. He has a small farm and likes to play around.

He has been looking for a 100 hp plus cab tractor. I told him I would go look at any tractor he was interested in within easy driving distance. FREE just friends enjoying a day off. I did not want him to get took to the cleaners.

He found this JD 4440 in southern Missouri. It was kind of far away but we could drive down and back in a long day. I told him to get the serial number so I could run it and find out what I could on the ownership trail of this tractor. He did that. This tractor has had ten different recorded owners. Plus who knows how many more. It started out in Arkansas rice country. Then it went to a sugar cane plantation in Florida. Then to Mississippi on a cotton farm. Could not track who owned it in the last ten years but it did migrate to Missouri. I told him I would pass on this tractor if it where me. Too many owners and many of them in farming areas known for rough equipment.

Well guess what??? He and the wife went down last week so he could look at the tractor. They wanted to spend the night in St. Louis and see the sites. That is fine. He drove the tractor and just thought it was the greatest thing and a real "STEAL". The only thing he could see wrong was it would not stay in "D" range and would pop out of reverse in all gears. (Quad range tractor) The tractor jockey who owned it told him it just needed adjusting and he would knock off $500 so my guy could just have it done locally. My guy jumped all over this "DEAL". He paid $13000 and some change for this 1979 JD 4440 with unknown hours and history. ( Real clean local few owner JD 4440s are bringing $20k-22K). He even paid the jockey $1500 to deliver it 300 miles. What a good friendly guy!!! NOT

So this jem was delivered last Thursday while my guy was at work. His wife had the truck driver park it in their machinery shed. My guy called and said he would bring it over to me Saturday morning. He called me at 11 am Sat. told me he could not get the tractor to start. Asked me to come over.

Well here is what I have found so far:

1) Reason for not starting: one battery not two.
2) Small car battery cables not even close to enough for a diesel motor.
3) Stater motor has the lead melted out of the armature and the brushes are worn clear into the holders.
4) No engine air filter in the canister. Smell of ether is strong.
5) No AC compressor or lines from the cab. They have been cut off right behind the starter. Did not even bother looking on the cab top.
6) Wood block jambed under the rock shaft to keep the three point arms up. No hydraulic pressure or flow to the rear of the tractor. Steering and brakes only. Checked pressure/flow in front of the priority valve. 900 psi and 5 gpm flow.
7) Drained the hydraulic fluid(stuff)out. Looks like used motor oil to me. It is BLACK as coal and smells like diesel fuel. No hydraulic filter or sump screen in the tractor. So what ever was in the sump is going straight to the hydraulic pump.
8) Removed the rock shaft housing so I could look down into the transmission. "D" range shift collar and gear are shot. These gears are on the pinion shaft. Reverse collar is cracked. So to fix it right you have to take the whole transmission apart. Including both final drives.
9) Almost forgot: Engine has low compression on all cylinders. Rod and main bearing all are showing copper.

The good things about this JD 4440:
1) One of the best paint jobs I have ever seen. Does not seem to be any Bondo used either.
2) Brand new cab interior and seat cushions. (does have a wooden block under the seat to hold it up. No hydraulic pressure to work the seat)
3) Good tires. They are mates and have 80% tread.

So I had my guy bring his purchase agreement over. Guess how it is worded?? States clear as a bell that the tractor is sold AS-IS with transmission/hydraulic trouble. Plus non-working AC system. I asked my guy about this. He said the seller told him that was how he had to do it because the transmission adjustment was a transmission repair issue. Was told the AC just needed topped off come spring. My guy signed it with two witnesses to that fact. I found that unusual too but seller told my guy it was how Missouri law made him do it.

I just did a rough estimate on the engine/transmission/hydraulic repairs. It could easily get to 15-20K. Even then I am not sure if everything would be right. This tractor to me should have been a parts tractor.

My guys is sick over his. His wife is furious at him and the seller. He is going to talk to a lawyer tomorrow morning. I think he is out of luck as he signed a purchase agreement that clearly states that it was sold with problems and was AS-IS. It has been a long time since I have seen a con job this bad on someone. I am mystified how a guy as smart as this could not see any of the red flags that where there to be seen???

I am afraid he is going to be out a lot of money either way. If he tries to fix all that is wrong I am not sure what it would cost. The hydraulic system could be totally shot. The AC system is just about total junk. The engine overhaul could get real bad if the cam is bad and injection system need totally rebuilt. I really don't want to tackle all of these problems this late in the winter. This could take a month of solid work to get going. Any of you guys want a Shiny JD 4440???? LOL

So is this the ORIGNAL JD seller that farmed and trucked with his sons,,on here 4/5 years ago ?

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

So is this the ORIGNAL JD seller that farmed and trucked with his sons,,on here 4/5 years ago ?

It is, because the thread is from 12 years ago.

 

[Crazy Horse]

@Crazy Horse
He made a general comment from the bottom of the discussion page.
He quoted no one and replied to no one, just a comment on the discussion.
Even if you have quotes turned off AND the faux Classic View turned on, you can see his reply is not indented under anyone's reply.

Well, I must admit 007 that I don't examine posts or replies with a magnifying glass or a college course in 'Discussion Forums 101'. Obviously you do that and good for you. At the time of my reply I had no idea about the age of the post or the replies. I just commented on an unfair comment oabout teachers, which I might add seem to show up here on the site more often than one would think. Most of us somehow made it through school and learned to read and write relatively well despite those teachers who are lost in the real world.

 

[RBnWA]

So is this the ORIGNAL JD seller that farmed and trucked with his sons,,on here 4/5 years ago ?

Yes it is. Enjoyed following their operation. RB

 

[Ozlander]

Yes it is. Enjoyed following their operation. RB

And I was hoping that he was back.

 

[GChief]

Rusty ..... Don't forget "some" plumbers, truck drivers, lawyers, retail clerks and 101 other occupations that you should've/could've listed. Oops, including some farmers too. By the way, your English teacher must have been one of those you refer to. He/she forgot to teach you to capitalize the first word in a sentence and to use an apostrophe when using "conjunctions". Finally, it should be doesn't (does not) instead of don't (do not). There ya go, a little help for Rusty who should have paid more attention in school !!

Those &$^%@*&#* teachers !!!!!

Hey, the first spelling and grammar cop I have seen since joining.

And zombie threads can be fun.

 

[Crazy Horse]

Hey, the first spelling and grammar cop I have seen since joining.

And zombie threads can be fun.

GC: I do my best, like all enforcement officials. I'm not perfect but am pretty close.

 

[GChief]

GC: I do my best, like all enforcement officials. I'm not perfect but am pretty close.

I will probably bust your boys a little in good fun as not everyone has the education nor gumption to get it right.

Now I am off the the record store to buy some vinyls

 

[jm.]

This is a 12-year-old thread. JDseller hasn't posted in a while.

Thanks I just aske was he back did not realize it was so old wopnder how he is doing