lift operation on 8n

tyrone brown

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After running the tractor about 20 minutes with the lift going up and down, the lift stopped working. It would not go up or down. The lift does not work completely like it should anyway, it only works when the tractor is idle high. Have you any suggestions about this type of problem? I check the hydraulic oil and it had water in it and I replaced the oil but this was done prior to attempting to operating the lift. To make sure all the water is out of the pump, I"m planning on running the tractor for a few days with the hydraulic oil that I have in it and then replace it with gear oil 140.

Any and all suggestion on problem will be appreciated.
 
As a rule of thumb for an 8N, it's probably a sticky exhaust valve. Remove the inspection plate w/ the dipstick, reach in & push the control rod to the rear. If the lift drops, you found the problem.

This is a classic symptom of a dirty pump.

You are not going to get the water out of the pump by running it a few days. It doesn't work like that. The bottom of the pump sets in about 4 inches of hydraulic fluid. Putting 140 gear oil in it isn't a wise idea either. Check out the info in tip # 3.

Have you ever cleaned out the pump sump & changed the fluid? Check out tips 3 & 4 below.

There are two ways to clean the pump; the “quick clean” that gets a lot of the crud out of it, & the right way that gets all of it, including the hard packed crud in the pump base.

For the quick clean, after you get the old fluid drained out (overnight is best) remove both inspection plates & start pulling the sludge in the pump base out by hand. Then, get a couple of gallons of kerosene or diesel fuel & pour it into the pump base. Catch it in a bucket & reuse it. (Some folks use a hand garden sprayer.) Flush the pump base out 5 or 6 times. Do not start the engine to run the kerosene through the pump; kerosene and diesel fuel do not have sufficient lubrication properties for a 60 year old hydraulic pump designed to be immersed in 90w gear oil. Some folks say it’s ok to start the engine, engage the pump for a minute or two, then turn the engine off. Your call on that one.

This 'quick-clean' is not as effective as dropping the pump & doing a full job. But if the choice is between doing nothing & the quick clean, spray it out. It worked for me for 3 years on my 1951 N. If you have the time, drop the pump; that is the right way to do it. I’ve done it both ways & don’t plan on doing the quick clean again.

Do not attempt to do this w/o the I&T FO4 manual; the pump has a bunch of little parts that will go back together wrong if you do not have the manual to go by.

With all of the fluid drained out, block the front wheels & get the rear wheels up at least a foot. (you'll see why soon enough) Remove the 4 bolts holding the PTO shaft in & pull it to the rear & out of the tractor. Loosen all of the bolts. Remove all but the 4 corner bolts. Then, carefully remove them. If you are lucky, the pump will drop free (and dump a pint or so of hydraulic fluid down your sleeves). If not, wrestle it free. The pump has 'ears' that fit into the housing; wiggle it a bit & it will drop free. If you have the rear tires a foot or more off of the ground, you will have enough arm room to hold the pump & lower it at the same time. Once you get it out & on the bench, it comes apart easily & can be cleaned piece by piece. Putting it back is harder than pulling it out because you have a gasket to worry about. (no sealer on the gasket) And, you will probably need a helper to guide the control rod into the pump rocker shaft unless you’ve done this 6 or 7 times before!

While you have the PTO shaft out, it would be a good time to replace the seal on it. It's got two spring clamps around it. Take your needle nose pliers & remove the one in the front. Then, hang the shaft & bearing housing in your vice & tap the butt end of the shaft; the bearing cap will come off (and will land on your foot). Then, remove the other spring clip from the other side of the seal. At this point, remember that you never bought a seal driver & go get a BF socket & drive the seal out. If you have the new style seal, the white side goes out. Put some grease on it.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, not a lot of water gets in the oil from the shifter boot. Of course, if it's bad, replace it, but you get water from the draft control spring & the dipstick. But, most water is just a byproduct of the heating/cooling cycle of the oil. Which is why the OEM owners manual says change it yearly.
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