NAA prototype

[coaklnic000]

Does anyone have any information on the 1951 Ford NAA prototype. Im looking for a clearer picture

 

[old]

NAA did come out till 1954. The Jubilee came out in 1953. In 1951 it would have been an 8N

 

[Jim L WA]

The Golden Jubilee actually came out in '52 as a '53 model year.. It's still a NAA.
Don't know anything about a prototype though. Could that tractor in the photo actually be a mutt? I don't see the big nut holding the rear hub on.

 

[old]

That is one of those thing like buying a new car in say Oct. It could be the year Oct is in or the next year but it is still the next years model. I.E. it is 2022 now but in Oct you can buy a 2023 year model car

 

[Tim PloughNman Daley]

BS. SHOW ME THE DATA! You're a victim of PT Barnum. No such thing as an NAA Prototype. Somebody has created a figment of their own imagination. No documentation in any legit FORD books on a NAA prototype exists. Not saying FORD didn't develop a working machine prototype per say, no doubt they did, but any model, that was in engineering would have been destroyed once production began. This is what the late, great Harold Brock, chief FORD TRACTOR ENGINEER from '39-'59, told me back in 2006 in our conversation about N-SERIES production SOP. Officially, the NAA was released for production in SEP 1952. It was to be the new 1953 Model year. NAA was just the next nomenclature to be used ID'g a vehicle. 'N' was always the letter designation for tractors. The NAA was named the JUBILEE in honor of FoMoCo's 50th Anniversary -1903-1953, and Jubilee was a Biblical term meaning 50 years. JUBILEE was only used for the 1953 Models and the front nose wheat straw emblem had the name around the badge. For the 1954 model, the JUBILEE name was dissolved and only NAA would be the new model name. The 1954 NAA had a few minor upgrades. In late 1954/early 1955 the 600 Series was released and was basically an NAA Model. The NAA was the first to revamp the FORD tractor now going with a bigger and better OHV Red Tiger Engine amongst many other upgrades. FORD TRACTOR would never make another Flat Head tractor again after that.


Tim Daley(MI)

 

[Ultradog MN]

Agree on both counts.
NAA came out in 53 and was called a
Jubilee.
And it kinda looks like a mutt to me also.
Maybe the front axle and side rails off a
row crop? Bolster is a bit different tho.
541?
36in rears can be found easy enough..
And it seems unlikely Ford would have had
the dies for stamping the tin laying around
for 2 years before putting it into
production.

 

[Bern]

What a privilege that must have been to be able to speak with Harold Brock in person. I have a list of questions I would have loved to be able to ask him if he were still alive and I was to have that same opportunity. Chief among them, what was in the drinking water back around the time the SOS transmission was being developed? Why did they feel the need to rush it into production when it wasn't yet proven? And why oh why did they do the exact same thing 2 years later with the 6000?

The SOS trans could have been so much more had they got it right from the start.

 

[Sean in PA]

(quoted from post at 11:44:59 07/15/22) NAA did come out till 1954. The Jubilee came out in 1953. In 1951 it would have been an 8N

Both the 1953 and 1954 tractors were officially NAA model tractors (or NAB if they came from the factory to run in kerosene). They called the 1953 model the "Golden Jubilee" tractor as a marketing device due to the 50th anniversary of the company, but they were still NAA model tractors. Try to lookup the Jubilee by model name in the parts site and you won't find one. If you lookup NAA you will see that it was made from (I was going to say 1/53-12/54, but the parts site now says...) Jan 1952 - Dec 1954. I don't know if that's a typo on their part or not, but there still is no Jubilee or Golden Jubilee model listed.

 

[Jim L WA]

(quoted from post at 14:22:47 07/15/22) What a privilege that must have been to be able to speak with Harold Brock in person. I have a list of questions I would have loved to be able to ask him if he were still alive and I was to have that same opportunity. Chief among them, what was in the drinking water back around the time the SOS transmission was being developed? Why did they feel the need to rush it into production when it wasn't yet proven? And why oh why did they do the exact same thing 2 years later with the 6000?

The SOS trans could have been so much more had they got it right from the start.

Bern, I've never been around a SOS tractor, but heck they could have just used the venerable old G.M. 4 speed hydromatic. Modified the valve chamber so it could stay in 1st gear. That would have been one slow crawler.

 

[Ultradog MN]

Probably not a typo.
Look up a 3000.
CNH says something like 1/65 to 12/74 but
we know they built 3000s well into the fall
of 75.

 

[sotxbill]

The ford history books say that Brock was against releasing the sos, and it was push around him while he was on vacation in europe???? iirc. Again, this is fuzzy from way back.

 

[Kirk-NJ]

I know they had a vineyard/orchard model proto type around that time but not this NAA it was 8n.

 

[Tim PloughNman Daley]

HiYa Bern-
Yes, I had telephone conversation with Mr. Brock in December, 2005, and he permitted me to record us so I have three 90 minute cassette tapes of that conversation. He was the best, classiest gentleman you could ever meet and talk with. So much FORD history we discussed and so many questions I didn't to ask. This was around the time he had his book out, The FORD's In My Past. Later, in the summer of 2006, the annual Ford/Fordson show was held in Penfield, Illinois and he was the special guest of honor speaker. At the Friday night banquet he did a lengthy speech after dinner and took questions from the crowd. F/FCA recorded the speech and there is a DVD available with it or was. If not I can send you a copy if you want. Most of the questions on the DVD I had asked back with our phone conversation so most was not new to me. A lot of questions were in his book too, may be now out of print. Mr. Brock was chief tractor engineer at FORD from 1939 thru 1959 until the Select-O-Speed fiasco forced him to resign his position based on this decision by the FORD bean counters to go ahead with the SOS in production when he clearly presented data to them that it was NOT ready for production. Mr. Brock was soon hired by the John Deere Company where he went on to set records with them. The rest is history. Here are some pix from the 2006 F/FCA Penfield show. One I took of Mr. Brock with Don Barkley, owner of nnalert's at the time, as they digest a set of the FORD 9N blueprints in the MACHINE ANALYSIS FORD TRACTOR PRODUCTION 1939-1950 that were used in the Ferguson lawsuit. There were 12 sets made for all the lawyers involved, ten volumes in each set, and each copy were numbered. I myself own copy #7 as shown in my pix. Also at the Penfield show is a picture of me getting my copy of Mr. Brock's book signed along with a few original manuals. I cant believe this was 16 years ago but I was 150 pounds heavier then too. In 2015 I had Bariatric Roux En Y Surgery and lost it all. A lot of my info I post is based on data contained in these volumes as they also show OEM 9N part drawings too.

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On the left is Mr. Brocks' son. I'm the fat guy in red and no it's not Santa...



Tim Daley(MI)

 

[Bern]

So you talked with Harold for over 4 hours? Strictly Ford stuff or did you talk about his JD experience as well?

You should digitize the recordings and make them available to those of us who'd like to hear it. I would pay good money to do that and/or to get access somehow. Let me know if I could help with that.