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souNdguy

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Probbaly the next project I work on will be adding rops to my 4600. Mowing is in full swing.. at least for the weeds anyway.. gras sure ain't growing

I'll go ahead and state now that there will be absolutely no more public pics posted by me, on this site, concerning anything I'm doing or making.

anyone wanting to see a pic of something concerning me.. can email for a private link.

soundguy
 
"I have plenty of patience for people who listen. when it's 10 posts in and I'm repeating myself in each message and asking questions that are not being answered in subsequent posts.. that's when i run out of patience."

I think I understand him now.

Last month I caught some flak over photos of my fuel line mods to my 640. And it caused me to respond to a long time member in a not very respectful way.

But I really like it when we post photos of projects, even if it does spawn some dumb questions or flame wars. Lots of different ways to do things with this old iron. And as someone else put it, it's a big playground.

Sorry about the bum rush Soundguy - I like reading about and your projects, and the photos help me understand better.

Doug
 
I am also curious as to why no posting of photo's. I for one enjoy seeing others projects, and learn more from the photo's. I vote to keep posting the photos.
 
Lately, when I post a pic, I just am having to sift thru too many negative comments. seems like each thread is getting mired in them now.. I just simply didn't want to participate in that...

Like all of you who have just responded.. many of us like to see others pis to give us ideas of what to do ( or not? :) )and in general.. just share.. not for a grade or a compliment.. but just for exhibition sake.

For instance.. I like to see a rusty greasy old tractor in work clothes JUST as much as a shiney one that is probably worth 10000$ of invested time and money... truthfully.. I'm kind of partial tot he 'working clothes' refurbs myself.. I like to see these old gals working. ).. It's always a killjoy to see the one poster step into the thread and run the negative comment out. And I'm surely not just refering to my threads. I'm seeing it more and more.. there's usually one in the crowd that has a lame comment to add.

the joy in working with or on these old machines .is.. to me anyway.. just that. working on them.. or working with them.

It's neat that we can pull a 50-60 yr old machine into our garage and whip out some common hand tools and bang thes eold beauties back to life.

some of our repairs, mine at the top of the list, are not profesional repairs. anything from hack and slash last minute farmengineering, to the real good elegent fixes by those equipped to do so.. or even the 'fix by replacement' type jobs. They all have their place.

The last comment on the series of pics I posted just rubbed me the wrong way.

the comment about me getting my welds checked by a competent welder..

lets face it. if we all got our work double checked by a profesional in the field.. then all of our tractors might as well go to the dealer any time we do anything on them.

so.. you just replaced the thrust bearings in your steering box? better take it to the dealer to get them checked..

just repalced and/ or repacked your front wheel bearings.. better haul it to the tire store and throw it on the rack..

see my point?

I know there are some repairs that many of us DO farm out. block work for instance or precision machining.. as most of us simply lack the skills or tools to do it.. or do it econmically on a 1-time basis.

as for my welds? they for sure were NOT pretty. and I stated as much.

Normally when I fab I grind all my root passes then do my tie in passes, grind off all the lil pops and pebbles around the work.. spatter and all.. then many times I top cap it with some other rod to make it look nice.. especially when using 6011 for penetration and strength.

this job? I didn't feel the need to spend another 5# of rod and grinder wheels and another week of work for the 'lipstick' factor.

the welds are what they are. I'm not a pro welder.. .. heck.. I don't call myself a welder.. I OWN a welder. that said.. I make some pretty good welds when it comes to strength. not always pretty.. but strong. My 15' batwing mower that dropped a wing when the hinge broke, and subsequently got jacked and braced and welded back on and works every summer is a testiment to that.

It just hit me wrong.. not to mention the poster didn't even have the guts to register a name and instead was just a guest.

I've seen it in other people's threads as well.

pot shots from the peanut gallery.

just gets tedius to put up with... I was thinking of avoiding the game with the no posting idea... though I do appreciate the comments and fresh perspectives and points of view.

soundguy
 
shame a couple of idiots ruin the best part of the forum.. really enjoy your pictures and wish I were not on a long term out of town assignment.. but your pics are what keep me going.

dont let some aholes ruin it..

just my 2 cents...
 
Hey ---don't quit posting pic---have always enjoyed looking--never made a comment one way or the other-----keep informing us------good luck THANKS
 
Hey Chris;

Just had to jump in and encourage you to keep on posting pics. We all enjoy seeing your projects. For those of us that are visual, well, a picture is worth a thousand words. Your work presents ideas that others can use and stimulates the ol creative juices. There's alot of us that are by no means experts, so when you and others with like knowledge post something, there's always something in it to learn. I suppose you might say, whether you know it or not, you not only provide enjoyable information, you are inadvertantly mentoring us newbies.

As for those who are critical, well, they are not the majority. Some guys just want to help and don't mean anything by it.

Please keep your projects coming with the pics, they will be greatly appreciated.
 
Here's a thought,

Some of the negative comments might arise out of a jealousy issue!!
I too vote, PLEASE keep the pics coming.. I believe the majority here Chris will feel the same way:)
 
I frankly didn't expect this kind of response.. didn't think it was going to be an issue.. may have to rethink my position on this.. might have been a lil hasty and should have cooled down a bit before speaking.. HMM..

thanks for the fresh perspective gentlemen...

see.. more heads are always better than one. Always someone can point out good ideas when you can't see something yourself...

glad I found this site and you group of fellow tractor mongers.

soundguy
 
Blow it off, take it with a grain of salt. My grandpa was a third generation farmer. He used to say if you don't like the way I did it then come out here and do it for me or just keep your mouth shut! I enjoy seeing the tractor gurus post pics and explanations of their projects. Why? Because I am not a mechanically inclined person, my brain doesn't think that way, so you guys help me learn how to fix these old machines. I know my discipline of work and tractor mechanics is not that discipline.

I've asked some dumb arss questions on the forum before of which has probably made some laugh, but hey that's okay. Those of you that are genuinely willing to help, help a lot. So keep it coming!
 
thanks

goes both ways. I'm more of a 1939-1964 guy that is just now learning the 75-80 stuff.. since I've gotten my 3000, 5000, and 4600 I've learned so much from the guys that know these machine like the back of their hand. I'm poretty comfortable on the prior 64 and down models.. but dome of the stuff on these 'new' ones throws me.. :)


soundguy
 
Well, I'd like to throw in my two cents worth of support. I like seeing your photos too. I love seeing all kinds of tractors, especially 5000 stuff (I recently got one).
It's inspiring to see the work you do. I hope to do the same. You've probably got me in the ambition department though... and you must have a better shop than me...

Oh well, I love seeing your photos. Keep 'em coming!

Have a great day!

Troy
 
Hey at least you can post pictures, I cant without the kids help! some of the posts that are signed arent worth reading, so dont get your shorts in a knot with one that wasnt even signed. Every one has the option of not opening a post, so screw them.
 
well.. it's a garage bay.. aside from a name brand welder and a handfull of name brand tools.. most of my stuff is generic or knock off tools. :)

but for beating on old fords.. they seem to know what they are doing.. even the chinese wrenches.. :)

soundguy
 
I think that's what burned me the most. pot shot. not even man enough to register so at least a discussion could ensue... just a parting shot and nada..

soundguy
 
I see a lot of posts harping on the chinese wrenches :-). I probably have about every common brand tool including some chinese tools. If I had to buy name brand tools, I would not have half of what I need, and cannot justify spending hundreds on a set of tools that will get one use every 5 years. Sure I would love to only buy American, but name one person that can say they do. My welder is a Lincoln 110 volt wire feed using flux core wire. A no-no in many's opinion, it does not make pretty welds, but it has welded everything from thin sheet metal, repaired a exhaust manifold, and welded pipe fence which many say cannot be done with a welder that small. Turn it up high enough and keep the heat on it, and it will burn it in 'good enough'. Sooner or later I will run into a deal on a stick welder and pick one up, but if my $350 Lincoln never works again I have got my money's worth out of it, and then some.....it probably paid for itself on the first job I did with it. Ignore the nay-sayers, and do your own thing. Life is too short to worry about the perfectionists.
 
soundguy
keep the pics coming i like the hoe set-up gives me some ideas of my own.
and don't let ole dave 135 fan get you hot and bothered, he is what he is.
i got that 850 running pretty sweet, good motor,clutch,tranny,rear, and even the brakes.
al
 
Chris
I don't know what happened, I've been away from the computer for awhile. If you quit posting pics...then you have let the aholes win. Pee on them & keep doing what you do best. When I bought my first tractor about three years ago, you were very helpful & patient with my stupid questions. I for one (and about 50,000 others here) enjoy the info, PICS, & all around fellowship that we create here. Keep the faith dude.

Carrie
 
Keep the pics coming. My tractor is running today because of the experience on this site. I too enjoy seeing a rusted old workhorse turned back into what it looked like new. Soundguy, you do great work and I enjoy your post and pics.
 
same here... if I only had name brand tools I'd have a quarter what I have and maybee no tractors as I couldn't afford to fix em...

my hobart stickmat 235XL ac only stick welder does all I want.

ac welds on mine aren't the prettiest.. but they are strong.

soundguy
 

Soundguy

It has long been my observation that “Those who can do and those who can’t criticize those who can”. I have silently set on the outside looking in on this forum, thanks to you and other regulars, who I find too be a wealth of information.

As a retired tool designer for the aircraft industry and, many years past, a machinist, I would like too say that I don’t care where you, or anyone, buy their tools. When a person can do the work that you do with these old tractors they don’t owe anyone an explanation. Your work say’s it all! And guys like me learn by watching you “DO”!

You keep the pictures coming. Some of us have much too learn about tractors. As for the guy who criticized, well most of us know that an AC welder can make a good weld, but hardly ever make a pretty weld. A true craftsman works with what he has available. It’s the quality of the work that defines him as a craftsman, and you, sir, are a craftsman.

Like others, I will again be on the outside looking in on this forum. I hope we are not disappointed by a lack of pictures of your work. We still have much too learn from you.

The oldbird
 
Please do continue. I think anyone who can make due with what they have is a pluss to this site.
Don't let some jerk beat you down.
I enjoy your photos.
 
you tool/die/machinists are my envy. I love the skill you guys have. TOH is another individual in this category. I'm a hack fab.. but when i see billet turned into something usefull.. it really make smy mouth water. I have aspirations.. maybee one day.. :)

soundguy
 
i'd for sure love a dc welder.. or even a BIG 220v mig.. I've welded with a DC stick welder, and a mig. both make some nice looking welds and open up a few other electrode choices.

for now it's ac stick on my budget.. for the fast stuff.. i'll settle fro strong and ugly.

if I got grinding and top dressing time and resources.. then i can do pretty decently passable joints ... sometimes it ain't economical to take 3x the time and 2x the rod to do the job that 1/3 and 1/2 get by with.

soundguy
 


It's your stuff. Fix it any way you want to. I too enjoy the pictures and would really like to have a few of your tractors. Wish I could find that at the prices you are.

I will argue with you about the tools. I have about 10K worth of tools or maybe more. Never have sat down to try to figure it out. All of mine are name brand tools. Heck I droped 600 on a 3/4 drive set last year. I've only used it about a dozen times but I can say that it has paid for itself! I pulled a tire of my TLB with it today. Had to have a long cheater to get em broke. I know that I would have broken a cheap one with my 250 lbs bouncing on about 4 foot of cheater. Used the backhoe bucket to break the bead! Worked great!!!!! Just didn't have the extra cash to have someon come out right now.....gotta replace my grain drill in the next couple of days so I can plant.

Rick
 
As I read the first post yesterday, I cringed. Don't let him get to you, there are plenty of people on this site that need your input. There are a handful of very knowledgable peopel out there and I read their posts nearly every time they post. Then there are other rabble-rousers that I don't read ever.
 
if I worked on heavy equipment as a mechanic.. it would be different.

having some cheap tools, a full set, to beat on some old iron is a complete different story.

can't make a comparison between production level work on 8 ton machines vs shade tree work on a 60 yr old farm tractor.

my 3/4 set that runs from 7/8 all the way up to 2.5" including 2 extensions, a ratchet, and breaker bar, plus the hard case cost way less than 100 $.. so far it has survived a 6' pipe with me and another friend pulling as hard as we could on it to bust bolts free on my 5000 last year when we swapped some parts around... not too shabby for about 60$ worth of tools..

soundguy
 

sound I just don't know, I do know my dad had a cheap set he got when he was farming. He broke just about everything. That's why now that I'm retired from the Army (where we broke a lot of 3/4 drive stuff on our tanks) and getting the farm going again I want good tools. When something breaks cheap tools are 30 miles away......good tools only 7. When yer right in the middle of something quitting to get a tools cost time. I had to run and get a 16.8X28 tube yesterday at that 30 mile away town.......hour and a half.

Rick
 
i think you are forgetting that expensive tools are made in the same chinese facories that cheap tools are now.

flip over a craftsman wrench.. made in china.

I'v yet to break a chinese socket / ratchet.

I have some old yard sale pakistan units from say.. 30ys ago, and i HAVE broke one of those. I usually buy cheap full or incomplete socket sets at garage sales for 1$ or so.. and toss em into a jar.. when I get enough to make a full set I put them in a ziplock bag and stick them in a car/truck or tractor I have as an emergency tool set.

again.. so far.. no breaks on the big or current stuff. in the end.. if I could only buy spendy tools.. I wouldn't be here.. as I couldn't afford any tractors..

since I can get away with a cheap tool.. i get to play on tractors. good trade IMHO.

soundguy
 
Soundguy, the information and pictures you post have been invaluable to me since I got my '63 4 cylinder a few years ago. Wish you would keep it up, if not then i wanted to thank you for helping me quite a bit.
 
Please keep posting pictures here. If you do decide to post pics only to a private site, please allow me to join the club. I think pictures are worth many thousands of words and I do enjoy your helpful advice, too, as I try to learn how to take care of these wonderful old tractors. I've included a picture of my Ford.
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she's a beaut. I went to visit my MIL this weekend and saw no less than 3 2000 4 cyl models for sale for a good price along the way.. twas very tempting to strain the budget.. :)


soundguy
 
Ya, I love my 2000. She mows my five acres of lawn really well and helps out with other projects as well. (like digging holes with the auger in the pic) I also have a Farmall H with an original McCormick front loader, a Case VAC14 and a couple of other tractors, but I always go back to the Ford for reliable work.
 
(quoted from post at 18:00:32 05/10/11)................
the comment about me getting my welds checked by a competent welder..
..........
as for my welds? they for sure were NOT pretty. and I stated as much.
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the welds are what they are. I'm not a pro welder.. .. heck.. I don't call myself a welder.. I OWN a welder. that said.. I make some pretty good welds when it comes to strength. not always pretty.. but strong. My 15' batwing mower that dropped a wing when the hinge broke, and subsequently got jacked and braced and welded back on and works every summer is a testiment to that..........
soundguy

I got a kick out of your "weld" comment. I got a Lincoln buzzbox last year and am like a kid in a candyshop with it. Don't know how I got along without one the last 30-40 yrs. But...., a lot of my welds look like bubblegum. That's where my new 4.5" angle grinder comes in. LOL.

Every day now at work, I go through the scrap steel bin and am accumulating quite a treasure trove of decent sized steel pieces (tube, bar, flat stock) to play with and most often actually make something of value. :wink:

Right now, I'm making a fence unroller for the 3 pt on my Ford 3600. It will pivot in the middle so I can use it horizontally to unroll electric wire (or anything else for that mater). I've got the pieces all set to fab up a sun canopy for it next, using a piece of metal barn siding for the top. Waiting to be cut to size are some old steel frames that will become a stand for a 3pt post hole digger. The idea of melting steel together to make something strong and sturdy very quickly is VERY self-satisfying.

Wife and grown kids are less than excited, however, when I run in from the garage yelling "come see what I built". Usually I get a yawn and the wife MAY come out, give a perfunctory look along with "that's nice dear" before turning around and going back into the house, usually to read a book about vampire lovers or some stupid thing like that. :roll:

I would post pix of my stuff if I can remember how to do it and if it didn't take time away from ACTUALLY working on stuff. :lol: Like others, I wouldn't do it for accolades, but to give others ideas on what might work for them.

Anyway, I've mentioned "soundguy" to numerous people who have questions about old Ford iron and have learned a lot about tractors and such from him and others on this forum.
 
yep.. my wife no longer comes out to look at my welded creations either.. after a few yeas of it.. she's finally over it by now..

soundguy
 
An H is a nice machine. almost got a 49H a while back.. kick myself for not doing it.

wouldn't mind a VAC either one day.. neat to look at..

soundguy
 
soundguy, there will allways be some knucklehead waiting in the bushes, to rain on your parade. He's a dolt who probably doesn't know which end of a screwdriver to hold on to. Don't give him the satisfaction of letting his assinine comments bother you. You have posted some geat pics, and shared some great ideas that are much appreciated by us all. My welds arent pretty either, but that doesn't stop me from building stuff. Thank God for a grinder. :wink:
 
Soundguy,
You and your pics make it all interesting.
Don't let a couple of knuckle heads "censor" your pics on this site.
I post on several sites and get the knuckle head reply every once in a while, but I totally ignore such replies, never respond to them, and it drives the knuckle heads NUTS!
Hope you try this method and continue posting pics. Because: As the saying goes, A pic is worth a thousand words (or More).
 
I have the "same" set and broke the rachet (6' pipe with the bucket loader pushing down on it, it should have broken), so I bought a craftsman to replace it. So my set cost $38 + I believe the rachet was around $65. I have not broken a socket yet.
 
when I need the heavy pulls, I use a breaker bar.. I have one that is 1" and 3' long. so far I havn't been able to break it :) have had a pipe on it with me and a buddy trying to break it though. as you said.. when / if it does ever break.. it won't owe me anything with some of the stuff i've done with it.

working on my 10' and 15' mower I found some tough big strong bolts and long threaded adjuster rods.. they were a real bugger...

soundguy
 
well, I gave in and posted a pic.. lets see how it goes.

it's not a good one.. low res from the cellphone.. thought it was a better angle but I goofed.. will get more later.

just rops right now.. I can't put fenders on till I flip the tires and dish them, then set them in onthe rims.. ho-hum..

soundguy
 
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