Rear wheel weights-861

[Blueox4]

I picked up a set of regular duty pie weights for my 861 today. They are the 30lb segments. I currently have a set of inside the rim weights that were on the tractor rear wheels when I purchased it. I?m not sure how much they weigh. I only use the tractor to snow plow my mostly level 200ft driveway and to haul firewood. We do get a lot of snow here in upstate NY. Can I mount the pie weights with the inside weights still on? Would it be too much weight with the full pie set on each wheel along with the inside weights?

 

[Dean]

Yes.

Dean

 

[IndFord]

I know Dean knows his weights. I?d like to tell you yes and that you should sell that set you are not going to use (like those inside weights to some guy in NJ(wink) cause cash is a lot easier to carry). But just wondering if you can fill the tires with calcium and have pie weights on it, would that not be heavier? However there may be a reason that I just don?t know about. So don't do it until we hear from others that have had more experience with more weight than they can handle. I don't have that problem because I don't have that many sets.
And maybe Dean is saying yes to the first question and not the second question
1. Can I mount the pie weights with the inside weights still on?
2. Would it be too much weight with the full pie set on each wheel along with the inside weights

 

[Royse]

Yes, you can mount them along with your inside weights.
Is it too much weight? I don't have documentation, but I doubt it.
The heavy set was about 200 lbs more per side. Are your inners
more than that? I've seen tractors here with the heavy set and
loaded tires at the same time. Normally on loader tractors.

 

[Sean in PA]

Would it be too much weight with the full pie set on each wheel along with the inside weights

Weight mounted on the rims doesn't affect the weight bearing capacity of the tractor. As long as the wheels and tires themselves can handle the extra weight then the rest of the tractor won't know about any extra weight. The "maximum weight rating" for the tractor is the maximum weight that the axles are designed to carry, and the axles don't carry the weight of the wheels or anything mounted on the wheels, only the wheels and tires do.

It will take a little bit more torque/hp than usual to get the wheels turning, but plowing rows takes a lot more torque/hp to turn the wheels than adding several hundred pounds of wheel weights does.

 

[Ultradog MN]

I don't know about the Hundreds.
The 3 cyl Thousands have a chart in the owners manual for maximum ballasting.
Maybe someone can look in their manual to see if they list it.

Fwiw, the early 3 cyl 2000s have a round cross section to the trumpets which is very similar to the Hundreds.
For those my manual states you can use up to 2300 lbs of fluid and cast iron weight on your tires and have a maximum of 4150 lbs on the rear to include ballast And mounted equipment.

There are often comparisons between the 3000 and an 800 here.
A 3000, because of the heavier square trumpets can have 3000 lbs on the rear tires and a maximum of 5000 lbs on the rear end.

 

[Sean in PA]

(quoted from post at 22:26:45 01/02/19) I don't know about the Hundreds.
The 3 cyl Thousands have a chart in the owners manual for maximum ballasting.
Maybe someone can look in their manual to see if they list it.

Fwiw, the early 3 cyl 2000s have a round cross section to the trumpets which is very similar to the Hundreds.
For those my manual states you can use up to 2300 lbs of fluid and cast iron weight on your tires and have a maximum of 4150 lbs on the rear to include ballast And mounted equipment.

There are often comparisons between the 3000 and an 800 here.
A 3000, because of the heavier square trumpets can have 3000 lbs on the rear tires and a maximum of 5000 lbs on the rear end.

Any numbers in the Operator's Manual that state they are for the maximum weight on the tires were for the tires that came on the tractor from the factory. Tire technology has changed over the years and you should consult the sidewalls of the tires installed on your tractor for maximum weight ratings there.

 

[Kirk-NJ]

Your 861 will handle a set of HD pie weights 1160 lbs. You have the lighter set of pie weights 800 lbs. Looking at your inside weights and the thickness I would say those weights are about 100 lbs each= 400 lbs. So total you have 1200 lbs. I agree with Dean Yes mount them, IF the tires are not loaded. If you don't know if your tires are loaded just rotate tire until valve stem on bottom and let air or water out.

 

[riveroadrat]

The weight is unsprung (if it had springs). That might cause a little more side to side wear but I think the only thing that would matter is how much the tire could hold. I dont think loading the tires would matter because it's inside the tire. You wouldnt want to overfill them as the smaller the air bubble is inside the more it will get compressed when hitting bumps and such.

 

[Tim PloughNman Daley RIP]

Here ya go...from the original FORD 600/800 Operator's Manual. Note it states under no circumstances never to use the HD set (45#) pie weights on the 600 Model. It's the axle capacity, not tires -tires are the same on both models anyway. Just my opinion, but you really don't need all that extra ballast just to plow snow with. If doing heavy snowfalls, maybe add some chains.

Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)

 

[WayneIA]

Have you ever seen an axle failure on any of these tractors because of excessive weight? I've had an 860 with a full set of heavy weights and tires full of calcium since 1966.I have tore up several loaders, front ends but never a differential, axle housing or axles. The weak spot is the two peace splined hub and axle combination on an NAA!!

 

[Andy Wickiser]

Here's an interesting one from the Ford 713 Backhoe operating instructions. They recommend a full set of weights, and/or loaded tires, with a 2090 lb. backhoe on the rear. However I think the tractor shown is an 1801 (industrial variation).

<img src = https://i.postimg.cc/SsTs8Lbg/Ford713-Wheel-Weights.jpg>

 

[Dean]

Bingo.

8** series tractors with HD loaders, hoes and pie weights are not uncommon.

Dean

 

[Ultradog MN]

I don't know if it matters but the heavy industrials did have larger bolts (or was it studs with nuts - can't remember)
that held the trumpets on.
What else they did to beef up the axles for more weight capacity is anyone's guess.

 

[showcrop]

As others have said it depends on the tires. A lot of 861s have 14.9s which according to my Firestone book can go up to 4180 each.

 

[jim buford]

Is that what you could call a floating axle as the wheels carry the load of the weights and not the axle. Just asking.